Gijs,
I really appreciate the reply. And I'd echo Christopher Carpenter — from
my recollection, having read every post in this thread, you are indeed
the first to directly address these questions with any suggestion of
authority, which is really all that some of us have been asking for
(though I do appreciate the engagement from Mike and a couple others as
well). To be clear, this isn't an issue of trust or a referendum on the
expertise of Mozilla employees — just an attempt to get some basic
answers on the record to clarify (what I think there's general agreement
was) a less-than-perfect roll-out. Without such statements, all we have
is what's in front of us in the implementation, and there's literally
nothing there to suggest that a more open feature is planned.
Thanks for the links to Kinto/Cliquet, which seem very promising. Not
sure how to square those with Mike's earlier statement that a
Mozilla-produced version of this sort of thing was ruled out in favor of
the Pocket integration, but I'm happy to see active development on them
nonetheless.
Re: "secret", I'm not sure
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=pocket entirely disputes
that characterization, but you're right that the bugs were not private,
so "secret" isn't fair. (And
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1155515 is a little more
instructive.) I also don't want to imply that every product decision
requires a public hearing, but I guess a thread like this is the risk
when a major one isn't given it.
On 6/18/15 6:21 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote:
Saying, "hey, these people are experts, are you an expert in this
particular field?" is NOT an insult.
We're
not discussing database design or tax law. The concepts here —
transparency, privacy, software freedom, interoperability, the
commercial/non-commercial balance
From your list of concepts it sounds like you want the FSF or the EFF.
That's fine, they're great organisations and we partner with them on
some things. But please don't let's pretend Firefox is operating in a
vacuum, that we can *only* focus on the values you listed, and that
the aspects I listed don't matter at all.
Well, I actually just got that list from the Mozilla Manifesto... The
rest of what you say is true, and I'd never suggest that engineering
constraints or market competitiveness aren't critical factors, but
arguably it's the greater community's role to voice its concerns when it
feels the guiding principles aren't being given sufficient weight.
In any case, I really do appreciate the specific answers, and I'd be
happy to participate in discussion of the more open implementation on
firefox-dev. I agree with others that a public timeline/roadmap would be
helpful, but for the moment I'm happy to give further development some
time, now that we have a (slightly) clearer understanding of the plan.
- Dan
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