The same as you just did, completely ignored everything I said in this thread.
чт, 18 мар. 2021 г. в 16:25, Axel Wagner <axel.wagner...@googlemail.com>: > I find your response disrespectful. You are completely ignoring (in the > sense of "refusing to take notice of") what I wrote. > I don't think it is possible to have a productive conversation as long as > you behave this way. > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:48 PM Space A. <reexist...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That's exactly what I'm saying, topic of dropping generics was never >> raised, so landing of some version of generics was implied by the process. >> In fact just a start of that process implied that dropping them entirely >> was never a question. There was no public discussion with that regard, no >> poll or anything. >> >> >> >> четверг, 18 марта 2021 г. в 15:42:44 UTC+3, axel.wa...@googlemail.com: >> >>> ISTM that we already provided a bunch of evidence, which you are >>> rejecting. so "any evidence" clearly is not good enough and you should be a >>> bit more specific. >>> >>> Just to name a few specific examples of evidence provided: >>> • The FAQ, as well as any interview of the question, have stated clearly >>> that generics *may* be added, if a satisfying design is found. "May", not >>> "will". >>> • The proposal process >>> <https://github.com/golang/proposal#the-proposal-process> clearly >>> mentions the option to reject a proposal. >>> • This push for including generics started simultaneously, using the >>> same process <https://blog.golang.org/go2draft>, as both the "Error >>> handling" and the "Error values" designs. "Error values" was accepted and >>> "Error handling" was rejected as results of that process, so rejection was >>> clearly a possible outcome. >>> • Since then, there have been numerous blog posts, threads on this >>> mailing list, talks at conferences and appearances on podcasts by the Go >>> team. All of them mention the possibility that generics might not happen. >>> All threads (that I'm aware of) publicly discussing generics discuss the >>> option not to include them at all at least once. >>> >>> I really don't think it's too much to ask, what level of evidence you >>> are actually looking for. I also strongly feel that the case made by us is >>> stronger than the case made that there was no discussion about giving up on >>> generics. The latter seems - as far as I can tell - mainly rely on a) >>> interpreting statements by members of the Go team in ways incompatible with >>> the actual words being said and b) speculating about the management process >>> at Google - without any evidence to base this speculation on. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:11 PM Space A. <reexi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> > What kind of proof would you find to be acceptable? Can you give an >>>> example of something that I could say that you would consider to be a >>>> good answer to that question? Thanks. >>>> >>>> Ian, seriously. ANY evidence please, which you think "proves" that >>>> there was an open and public discussion on dropping generics from your >>>> daily agenda and focusing and spending time on more important things, such >>>> as first class Android support. >>>> >>>> ср, 17 мар. 2021 г. в 22:44, Ian Lance Taylor <ia...@golang.org>: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 4:28 AM Space A. <reexi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Can you provide any proof that there was an open public discussion? >>>>> >>>>> What kind of proof would you find to be acceptable? Can you give an >>>>> example of something that I could say that you would consider to be a >>>>> good answer to that question? Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "golang-nuts" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/1624a7bf-1418-4a24-9e11-5ba8c76852b3n%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/1624a7bf-1418-4a24-9e11-5ba8c76852b3n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "golang-nuts" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to golang-nuts+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/golang-nuts/CADKwOTdE5JkAqrq1q%3DMerb%2BXGjZFCxYN-KZrb5mgctTGCbL7YQ%40mail.gmail.com.
