On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:49:09 +0530 "RKVS Raman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, > > My name is RKVS Raman and I represent the localisation team in CDAC as > far as OpenOffice is concerned. By all probabilities I am the person, > Gora refers to about his experience with CDAC guys. Actually, no it isn't you. I thought that we had gone through this before, and to my mind you are one of the people from CDAC who actually does make an effort to work with the community. I am sorry to have seemingly riled you up. > This mail is > intended to make the stand of the l10n group at CDAC clear to the > community and offer some explanation to the scathing accusations that > Gora and others have made on CDAC. At the end of this mail I do hope > CDAC contribution will be more welcome in the community. I am sorry, what "scathing accusations"? I was relating my personal experience, and still stand by what I have said many times: CDAC does some very valuable work, but I see little effort to do this in a participatory fashion. One clear example of this is what we have been discussing in this thread: Localisation done for some 18 languages, which were distributed with BossLinux, but not submitted back upstream, and I have yet to hear from any existing language team coordinator that they had been contacted by BossLinux folk. Other people have also pointed out flaws with the process that BossLinux has chosen for localisation. [...] > When working under deadlines, it was our observation that sometimes > (not all) the response from l10n communities for certain languages was > absent and for certain others sluggish. Oriya was one of them. I have > mails written to me by Gora in which he said that they were low on > resources at that time. During a meeting with him in FOSS.IN, he had > said that he cannot work towards our deadlines. I did say that we were low on resources, but specifically volunteered to participate myself in the first, important step, the standardisation of the glossary of terms. We also agreed, not only amongst the two of us, but with other people from CDAC, that we would be willing to review translations at an intermediate stage. None of this happened. [...] > Here is an organisation which is willing to make crucial contributions > to the community at its own defined speed. [...] > At the same time few of us in the organisation do make sure that we > don't lock our efforts in our own backup servers. We share it. We have > always done it with OpenOffice and are now trying to do so for GNOME. > I am surprised at the resistance we get when we are trying to do this. Um, I have pointed out the reasons for this in my original mail. Your translations of GNOME, at least as far as Oriya goes, did not follow the standard terminology used by the existing language team, and also sometimes missed the intended context in computer terms. This makes it difficult to suddenly integrate a large chunk of translations. Things would have gone much more smoothly if this integration could have happened a bit at a time, on a longer timescale. > Should a major chunk of contribution go unnoticed just because we did > not satisfy the egos of those in 'power'? I would not want to believe > so. It would have been easy for us to just integrate it with our > distro and be done with our work. We would have satisfied our funding > agency, but we dont believe in it. We don't want to work in isolation. > But no, we are not apologizing to anybody either. Since the impression at CDAC seems to be that it is doing people a favour by making the translated .po files available, I would like to point out that since Indian-language interfaces are distributed as binaries on the BossLinux CD, and since many of the .po files are covered by the GPL, CDAC is *required* to make such source .po files available upon request. > I now volunteer to be that liaison between open source communities and > CDAC if need be. I have personally shared cordial relationships with > ppl in IndLinux and so i with some of my colleagues from the distro > l10n team can work towards making sure that the difference in > methodologies do not hurt the larger goals. [...] Great to hear that, and please believe me, I meant no personal criticism in my original message. Can we now agree to let bygones be bygones and try to move forward? The .po files at http://downloads.bosslinux.in/Translated_Po_files/ seem to have disappeared. Can we get them back? Is it possible for you to devote some resources to submitting files upstream? We should also probably drop the gnome-i18n list from any follow-ups. Regards, Gora _______________________________________________ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
