On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Piñeiro <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 08/28/2012 04:08 AM, meg ford wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM, meg ford <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Here is the documentation for the keyboard shortcuts for navigating >>> the applications icons [1], although I I think that asking a person with a >>> physical disability to hold down ctrl and alt while tabbing is >>> not feasible. Maybe someone else knows of a better solution. >>> >>> Well, Ctrl+Alt+Tab is the one used because it was the one used at GNOME >>> 2. Anyway, there is a work in progress effort in order to define new >>> keyshortcuts for gnome-shell: >>> >>> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/KeyboardShortcuts >>> >>> I suggested them some others, like direct access to the Dash and others. >>> >> >> I honestly don't know that this is a case where a simpler shortcut is >> necessary, or if it should be considered a case where users need adapted >> systems. I'll ask around in the accessibility community here and see what >> people think, and comment there if it seems like the solution we have is >> not up to standards. >> > > I got a reply from a therapist who also works with kids with developmental > and physical disabilities, and she also agreed that this could be improved. > I see from the link that the proposal is to change this to tab, which would > be much easier to use. > > > Allan Day mentioned that during GUADEC. His proposal is that when you move > to the overview, one of the main region (like the top panel) would receive > the focus. Then you could move between regions using tab, and move inside a > container using the arrows. In order to avoid too many tabs to go to a > specific regio, we could define shortcuts to move to specific regions (ie: > a shortcut to move to the Dash), and maintain the Ctrl+Alt+Tab switcher as > legacy (as some users are still using it). You can see the bug that tracks > this and the conversation here: > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681527 > > My only doubts right now about this proposal are: > * Allan mentioned that one of the reasons is being consistent with Gtk. > But in gtk tab doesn't move to the next container. In most cases Tab and > right arrow are the same. So not sure if the user could get confused if in > the shell Tab moves between containers > * All this could help on the overview, but we would have the same issues > on the "normal view", although I suppose that the same solution is proposed > there (but not sure). > > As I mention at the comment > > It might be a good idea to propose that the shortcuts for switching > between workspaces also be simple, since that is also difficult for users > with physical disabilities to use. > > > IMHO, this is a minor problem as you can define the shortcut to switch > between workspaces. I personally use Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2, etc. The problem with > the region switcher is that, AFAIK, you couldn't define a custom shortcut. > Probably adding the possibility to redefine the shortcut would be a good > feature. > > > Does anyone see a reason for me to not ask for a simple shortcut for that > > > FWIW, what is the current (so complex) default shortcut for switching > between workspaces? I thought that was Ctrl+Arrow key. Which simpler > shortcut do you have in mind? > The proposal is ctrl+super+down > > > > Thanks, > Meg Ford > >> >> Thanks for the link, >> Meg Ford >> >>> >>> BR >>> >>> >>> >>> Meg Ford >>> >>> [1] >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, meg ford <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> The activities overview really doesn't work well for people with >>>> physical disabilities. Using the mouse to choose an application can be very >>>> tiring, and sometimes impossible for such users. Typing the name of the >>>> application is also really difficult. Looking here [1] I don't see a way to >>>> navigate the application icons using the keyboard. Maybe that has been >>>> added and the documentation hasn't been updated? >>>> >>>> There is a shell extension that provides a Gnome 2 style applications >>>> menu [2]. I think this should be easier to use. >>>> >>>> Meg Ford >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-apps-open.html.en >>>> [2] https://extensions.gnome.org/accounts/profile/gcampax >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dylan McCall >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's a shame about the accident. I'm glad that GNOME and Debian have >>>>> worked for you until now. >>>>> >>>>> The new menus _should_ be accessible. May you please explain what >>>>> about them isn't working out? I'm sure that would help to improve the >>>>> implementation. As it is, adding a toggle between the two menu layouts >>>>> is no simple task: with this menu redesign, the idea of grouping menu >>>>> items under things like "Edit" and "View" is going to drift away, so >>>>> even if the bits were in place it would be quite difficult to change >>>>> it back (especially dynamically). >>>>> >>>>> If I was to guess, the biggest problem for keyboard-accessibility is >>>>> that the menus don't open with F10, so you have to reach them with >>>>> Tab. Is that the gist of the problem? That might be something to >>>>> mandate in the HIG (and maybe add at the toolkit level), because it >>>>> _is_ quite surprising. Google Chrome, for example, is keyboard >>>>> accessible: its wrench menu can be opened with the usual mnemonics >>>>> (Alt+F or Alt+E). They forgot that F10 is the _real_ common >>>>> menu-opening shortcut, but they did try :) >>>>> >>>>> If you haven't already found it, the keyboard shortcut to get the >>>>> application menu (beside Activities at the top left of the screen) is >>>>> Super+F10. You can also use the left and right arrow keys to get >>>>> anywhere else on the top bar. Do you find that one works okay? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Dylan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:29 AM, surma <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > I’ve been using debian since 27 March of 1996, before gnome >>>>> everything was quite crappy, but I started using gnome 11 June 2000, and >>>>> linux turned easy. Then (2004/2005) I had a terrible car accident, I got >>>>> rammed, then I spent 6 months in coma, which messed up my hands, so I >>>>> can’t >>>>> use mouse, that’s why I prefer keyboard. Maake a place under gconf-editor >>>>> where you can choose the style of menu, so people can use either classic >>>>> or >>>>> modern style. >>>>> > >>>>> > That’s why I can’t use mouse. >>>>> > http://www.hot.ee/surma/Surma_24.12.05.jpg >>>>> > I built this car myself … and had an accident with it. >>>>> > >>>>> > This is what was left of my car. >>>>> > http://www.hot.ee/surma/katki.jpg >>>>> > Tanel >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing >>> [email protected]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias > >
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