Hi, On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM, meg ford <meg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Here is the documentation for the keyboard shortcuts for navigating the >> applications icons [1], although I I think that asking a person with a >> physical disability to hold down ctrl and alt while tabbing is >> not feasible. Maybe someone else knows of a better solution. >> >> Well, Ctrl+Alt+Tab is the one used because it was the one used at GNOME >> 2. Anyway, there is a work in progress effort in order to define new >> keyshortcuts for gnome-shell: >> >> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/KeyboardShortcuts >> >> I suggested them some others, like direct access to the Dash and others. >> > > I honestly don't know that this is a case where a simpler shortcut is > necessary, or if it should be considered a case where users need adapted > systems. I'll ask around in the accessibility community here and see what > people think, and comment there if it seems like the solution we have is > not up to standards. > I got a reply from a therapist who also works with kids with developmental and physical disabilities, and she also agreed that this could be improved. I see from the link that the proposal is to change this to tab, which would be much easier to use. It might be a good idea to propose that the shortcuts for switching between workspaces also be simple, since that is also difficult for users with physical disabilities to use. Does anyone see a reason for me to not ask for a simple shortcut for that? Thanks, Meg Ford > > Thanks for the link, > Meg Ford > >> >> BR >> >> >> >> Meg Ford >> >> [1] >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en >> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, meg ford <meg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The activities overview really doesn't work well for people with >>> physical disabilities. Using the mouse to choose an application can be very >>> tiring, and sometimes impossible for such users. Typing the name of the >>> application is also really difficult. Looking here [1] I don't see a way to >>> navigate the application icons using the keyboard. Maybe that has been >>> added and the documentation hasn't been updated? >>> >>> There is a shell extension that provides a Gnome 2 style applications >>> menu [2]. I think this should be easier to use. >>> >>> Meg Ford >>> >>> [1] >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-apps-open.html.en >>> [2] https://extensions.gnome.org/accounts/profile/gcampax >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dylan McCall <dylanmcc...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> That's a shame about the accident. I'm glad that GNOME and Debian have >>>> worked for you until now. >>>> >>>> The new menus _should_ be accessible. May you please explain what >>>> about them isn't working out? I'm sure that would help to improve the >>>> implementation. As it is, adding a toggle between the two menu layouts >>>> is no simple task: with this menu redesign, the idea of grouping menu >>>> items under things like "Edit" and "View" is going to drift away, so >>>> even if the bits were in place it would be quite difficult to change >>>> it back (especially dynamically). >>>> >>>> If I was to guess, the biggest problem for keyboard-accessibility is >>>> that the menus don't open with F10, so you have to reach them with >>>> Tab. Is that the gist of the problem? That might be something to >>>> mandate in the HIG (and maybe add at the toolkit level), because it >>>> _is_ quite surprising. Google Chrome, for example, is keyboard >>>> accessible: its wrench menu can be opened with the usual mnemonics >>>> (Alt+F or Alt+E). They forgot that F10 is the _real_ common >>>> menu-opening shortcut, but they did try :) >>>> >>>> If you haven't already found it, the keyboard shortcut to get the >>>> application menu (beside Activities at the top left of the screen) is >>>> Super+F10. You can also use the left and right arrow keys to get >>>> anywhere else on the top bar. Do you find that one works okay? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Dylan >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 9:29 AM, surma <su...@hot.ee> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I’ve been using debian since 27 March of 1996, before gnome >>>> everything was quite crappy, but I started using gnome 11 June 2000, and >>>> linux turned easy. Then (2004/2005) I had a terrible car accident, I got >>>> rammed, then I spent 6 months in coma, which messed up my hands, so I can’t >>>> use mouse, that’s why I prefer keyboard. Maake a place under gconf-editor >>>> where you can choose the style of menu, so people can use either classic or >>>> modern style. >>>> > >>>> > That’s why I can’t use mouse. >>>> > http://www.hot.ee/surma/Surma_24.12.05.jpg >>>> > I built this car myself … and had an accident with it. >>>> > >>>> > This is what was left of my car. >>>> > http://www.hot.ee/surma/katki.jpg >>>> > Tanel >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list >>>> > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org >>>> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list >>>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-accessibility-list mailing >> listgnome-accessibility-list@gnome.orghttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >> >> >> >> -- >> Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list >> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list >> >> >
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