vinothkumar mohanakrishnan wrote:
Hi Justin

Thank you. One more question regarding the Compressibility value usage. can i use the Compressibility value of water (4.5e-5) for the NPT equilibration of organic liquids (say DCE)? Is it resonable?

It was said in the gromacs mailing archive that for all liquids one can use the Compressibility value of water. (http://www.mail-archive.com/gmx-users@gromacs.org/msg01245.html)


Yes, it's fine. When a lead developer and the manual (section 3.4.9) indicate that it is true, I would have no reason to second-guess it...

-Justin

Regards
Vinoth

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>> wrote:



    vinothkumar mohanakrishnan wrote:

        Hi Justin

        Thank you for your comments. Yes i want to concatenate two
        systems such that their cross sections are same ( X and Y axis
        length are same for both the boxes) allowing only the Z axis to
        change. The above procedure was employed in the literature and
        latter they combined two boxes.

        what i want to know ultimately is can i go ahead with this
        pressure ( i have no problem with temperature and density) for
        water to create an interface by combining two boxes?



    Yes, it's fine.  Regardless, you're going to have to do more
    equilibration after you've assembled the system.

    -Justin

        Regards
        Vinoth


        On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
        <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
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           vinothkumar mohanakrishnan wrote:

               Hi Mark

               How come 7 +/- 500 bar is approximately 1 bar. Can you
        explain
               it more clearly? It will be of more useful to me to
        understand
               the concept.


           Suppose you do two simulations.  In one, the result is
        7+/-500 and
           in the other, the result is 1+/-500.  Even though the latter
           achieves the preferred result (average pressure of 1 bar),
           statistically, there is no difference between these two results
           because of the huge standard deviations in the data.


               One more thing, density (from g_energy command) of water is
               found to low (expected 1000) after NPT is equilibration. why?
               given below is my average density value. Can i proceed
        with this
               density value?

               Energy                      Average       RMSD     Fluct.
                    Drift  Tot-Drift
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
               Density (SI)                 979.37    14.3238    14.2431
               -0.0525784   -5.25789


           Real water and SPC water are different.  I don't know that
        there is
           any water model out there that perfectly reproduces all the
           properties of water.  A density around 980 sounds about right
        for SPC.

           A comment on your previous approach: you're hoping to achieve the
           same box dimensions for two different systems in order to
           concatenate them and make an interfacial system?  It would be far
           easier to create the organic phase, extend the box in z, and then
           solvate with genbox.

           -Justin


               Regards
               Vinoth


               On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Mark Abraham
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                  On 29/10/2010 6:39 PM, vinothkumar mohanakrishnan wrote:

                      I am using the semiisotropic pressure scaling
        because i
                   want the
                      box size to remain the same as that of the
        original box
                   size in X
                      and Y axis and want to change it only on the Z
        axis. I am
                   doing
                      this because at a latter stage i want to create an
                   interface with
                      organic solvent where i need the cross sections (X
        and Y axis
                      length) of both the box should be the same.

                      what i should do now  get the pressure of 1 bar?


                  7 +/- 500 *is* approximately 1 bar, and hardly any
        better an
                  approximation than 1 +/- 500. If you want lower
        fluctuations,
               use a
                  larger system and run for a much longer time. Or, since
               you'll have
                  to re-equilibrate once you combine the solvent boxes,
        don't
               bother.

                  Mark


                      Has no one has got the pressure of water to be
        close to 1
                   bar in
                      GROMACS till now?

                      Regards
                      Vinoth

                      On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:54 PM, David van der Spoel
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                   wrote:

                          On 2010-10-29 09.08, vinothkumar
        mohanakrishnan wrote:


                              Hi Mark

                              I read the link before posting the
        question. even
                   though
                              the fluctation
                              is between 500-600 (as said in the link)
        bar the
                   average
                              pressure is
                              around 7.4 bar. my concern is the average
        pressure?.
                              Because at a latter
                              stage i am going to combine this water box
        with
                   another
                              organic solvent
                              and i want to avoid any complications there.


                          Think again of what you just wrote. Your value
        is 7
                   +/- 500.
                          In fact according to normal statistical rules you
                   should round
                          the value of 7 to 0. If you want more accurate
        number you
                          could increase the box size by a factor of 100.

                          By the way, why are you using semiisotropic
        pressure
                   scaling
                          in a water box?


                              Regards
                              Vinoth

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                                 On 29/10/2010 5:48 PM, vinothkumar
                   mohanakrishnan wrote:

                                     Hi Gromacians

                                     I want to do equilibration of water
        (spc
                   model)
                              first in the NVT
                                     ensemble and then in the NPT
        ensemble to
                   maintain a
                              temperature
                                     of 300K and a pressure of 1 bar
                   respectively. The NVT
                                     equilibration works fine and the
        average
                              temperature turns out
                                     to be 299.229 K.

                                     Energy                      Average
                         RMSD                   Fluct.
                                           Drift            Tot-Drift
                                     ------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------
                                     Temperature                 299.229
                      10.3092               10.2463
                                       0.0393873    3.93877
                                     Heat Capacity Cv:       12.494 J/mol K
                   (factor =
                              0.00118698)

                                       when i do NPT equilibration i am not
                   getting the
                              desired
                                     pressure as 1 bar or atleast close
        to 1 bar
                              (between 1-1.4 bar).
                                     In the mdp file i used
        semiisotropic pressure
                              coupling type
                                     because i want to fix the length of the
                   box same on
                              two axis as
                                     that of the original box size and
        want to
                   change it
                              only on one
                                     axis. can any one tell me why iam not
                   getting the
                              desired
                                     pressure of 1 bar?.


                                 This looks normal for a smallish water
        system over
                              100ps. See
http://www.gromacs.org/Documentation/Terminology/Pressure

                                 Mark



                                     Energy                      Average
                         RMSD                Fluct.
                                       Drift  Tot-Drift
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                     Pressure (bar)               7.4339
                      574.052               573.574
                                     0.812129    81.2138

                                     Given below is my mdp file (NPT
                   equilibration). any
                              help is
                                     highly appreciated.

                                     title           = DCE NVT equilibration
                                     cpp           = usr/bin/cpp
                                     integrator   = md
                                     nsteps       = 100000
                                     dt              = 0.001
                                     nstxout       = 100
                                     nstvout       = 100
                                     nstenergy   = 100
                                     nstlog        = 100
                                     ns_type     = grid
                                     nstlist        = 1
                                     rlist            = 1.0
                                     coulombtype    = PME
                                     rcoulomb         = 1.0
                                     vdwtype          = Cut-off
                                     rvdw               = 1.0
                                     pme_order       = 4
                                     fourierspacing  = 0.16
                                     pbc                 = xyz
                                     tcoupl              = V-rescale
                                     tc-grps             = system
                                     tau_t                = 0.1
                                     ref_t                 = 300
                                     pcoupl              = berendsen
                                     pcoupltype        = semiisotropic
                                     tau_p                = 0.5
                                     ref_p                 = 1.0 1.0
                                     compressibility   = 0.0 4.5e-5
                                     DispCorr            = Enerpres
                                     gen_vel             = yes
                                     gen_temp          = 300
                                     gen_seed          = 173529

                                     Regards
                                     Vinoth


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