On 9/17/25 9:58 PM, Javier Martinez wrote:

> Let's play urbanterror online. Can you?, and openarena?
> And warzone2100?. Well something easier, pokerth. Or one chess game,
> what about xboard?
> 
> You have almost told us all software that has support of wayland.
> 
> How many software exists that does not know what wayland is?
> 
> How many software has wayland use flag available?
> 
> I see, xfce, dunst, firefox, gparted, spice, freerdp, vlc, parole, mpv
> and conky and some libraries and nothing more.
> 
> Please, be realistic, wayland support is tiny.


I'm quite happy with my existing Xorg setup and see no compelling urge
to change. My DE doesn't even support wayland and my DE is a heck of a
lot more important to me than the display tech.

But I know how this works and I will push back against bad arguments
used to defend even things I'm happy with.

"Most" software uses Gtk or Qt for display purposes. You get a *lot* of
mileage out of your toolkit seamlessly supporting X / wayland, so you
don't need to. Packages which have a "wayland" USE flag are like
packages which have an "X" USE flag: relatively uncommon. It indicates
the package does something "special", when running on wayland, that
requires specific custom code which the *GUI Toolkit* cannot
automatically handle, and which *also* requires calling directly into
wayland-client/wlroots/QWayland/gdk_wayland to code around it.

But the garden path software does not CARE what it is running on so it
has no USE.

To be even more specific: USE=wayland does not mean, "supports running
on wayland", it means "has to be recompiled before running on wayland".


Using "number of packages without USE=wayland" to measure "packages that
run via xorg emulation instead of natively on wayland", is very dumb. Sorry.

It's like saying "many packages don't have USE=X, that must mean they
don't support Xorg -- only wayland".


-- 
Eli Schwartz

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