Am 29.09.2013 19:58, schrieb Tanstaafl:
> On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is
>>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically
>>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't
>>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code.
>>>
>>> Who else is there to blame?  We are continually being told that a
>>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of
>>> <insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake.  This gets
>>> patronising really quickly.  (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here.  I
>>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else
>>> round here.)
>>
>> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction,
>> now it
>> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the
>> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case.
>
> So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6
> months, or better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush???

one month to run genkernel is more than enough. And that this point was
approaching was clear - what, 2 years ago? At least?

>
> Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this
> decision? I seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to
> provide a 'paper trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let
> others judge their decisions based on the merits of their arguments,
> then what does that say about their true motivations/intentions?

marc.info --> gentoo-dev

>
> Again, I don't have a problem necessarily with what is being decided
> (no separate /usr without an initramfs), my problem is with the
> implementation - giving us one MONTH before we can expect possible
> breakage with each and every update.

No, you already can expect possible breakage with each and every update.
In 4 weeks they will stop listening to your complains.

>
> The other HUGE thing that worries me, and has me seriously considering
> switching to FreeBSD NOW, is, maybe there really is a secret,
> underlying ulterior motive to force both systemd AND an initramfs for
> everyone in ALL use cases. If that is the case, then say so now, and
> give those of us who do not want this advanced notice, and I'll just
> plan on setting my gentoo box to never update on Nov 1, and start
> working on learning FreeBSD and if necessary, pay someone to help me
> migrate services to it.

so do it. You will be a lot happier there. I am sure. With forcing llvm
etc....




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