Am 29.09.2013 19:58, schrieb Tanstaafl: > On 2013-09-28 4:17 PM, Neil Bothwick <n...@digimed.co.uk> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:04:41 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> >>>> I suppose that what I am about to say isn't really relevant, but it is >>>> unfortunate over the past year that people blamed udev specifically >>>> for this. It is true that it does things that don't work if /usr isn't >>>> mounted, but eudev does as well, since it is basically the same code. >>> >>> Who else is there to blame? We are continually being told that a >>> separate /usr is "broken", as though this were some unfortunate act of >>> <insert your deity here>, much like an earthquake. This gets >>> patronising really quickly. (Please note, I'm NOT blaming you here. I >>> appreciate that you're as much victim as Dale or me or anyone else >>> round here.) >> >> It's evolution. Linux has for years been moving in this direction, >> now it >> has reached the point where the Gentoo devs can no longer devote the >> increasing time needed to support what has now become an dge case. > > So the solution is to give users one MONTH to prepare? Why not 6 > months, or better, a year? What for gods sake is the rush???
one month to run genkernel is more than enough. And that this point was approaching was clear - what, 2 years ago? At least? > > Where are the links/pointers to the INTERNAL discussions of this > decision? I seriously want to know. If gentoo devs are not willing to > provide a 'paper trail' for how this decision was arrived at, and let > others judge their decisions based on the merits of their arguments, > then what does that say about their true motivations/intentions? marc.info --> gentoo-dev > > Again, I don't have a problem necessarily with what is being decided > (no separate /usr without an initramfs), my problem is with the > implementation - giving us one MONTH before we can expect possible > breakage with each and every update. No, you already can expect possible breakage with each and every update. In 4 weeks they will stop listening to your complains. > > The other HUGE thing that worries me, and has me seriously considering > switching to FreeBSD NOW, is, maybe there really is a secret, > underlying ulterior motive to force both systemd AND an initramfs for > everyone in ALL use cases. If that is the case, then say so now, and > give those of us who do not want this advanced notice, and I'll just > plan on setting my gentoo box to never update on Nov 1, and start > working on learning FreeBSD and if necessary, pay someone to help me > migrate services to it. so do it. You will be a lot happier there. I am sure. With forcing llvm etc....
