On 2012-12-24, Bruce Hill wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:06:41PM +0200, Nuno J. Silva wrote:
>> 
>> Now, also, from my understanding, this was already the case for some
>> time (maybe even years?). And that's why I've asked for more details.
>> 
>> So, if the udev you use is OK with no initrd, what is in the new udev
>> that actually requires the initrd?
>
> "eselect news read" is yore freeeend ;)
>
> 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking
>   Title                     udev-181 unmasking
>   Author                    William Hubbs <willi...@gentoo.org>
>   Posted                    2012-03-16
>   Revision                  1
>
> udev-181 is being unmasked on 2012-03-19.
>
> This news item is to inform you that once you upgrade to a version of
> udev >=181, if you have /usr on a separate partition, you must boot your
> system with an initramfs which pre-mounts /usr.
>
> An initramfs which does this is created by
>>=sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or
>>=sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be
> sure any initramfs you create pre-mounts /usr.
>
> Also, if you are using OpenRC, you must upgrade to >= openrc-0.9.9.
>
> For more information on why this has been done, see the following URL:
> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
>
> You can read that systemd is *THE* problem, not udev, and that until the
> primma donnas fubared udev by jamming systemd into it, There Was No Such
> Problem (TM).
>
> And that explains where the train jumped the track...

No, actually it doesn't. It just has the same kind of very generic claim
that has been repeated several times in this thread (which is "why?
because it won't work") and links to an article that explains why some
udev rules would silently fail for all this time (for *years* now, I'd
guess). 

The article does not describe a change introduced with 181, it describes
what already happened with previous versions. I am not using >= 181 and
I do see the issues the article mentions (it does not break here because
I do not have a separate /usr, but I can see some rules that use stuff
from /usr).

-- 
Nuno Silva (aka njsg)
http://njsg.sdf-eu.org/


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