On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 14:40:19 -0800
Brian Harring <ferri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 12:31:07PM -0500, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Brian Harring <ferri...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Either way, I'm honestly not trying to piss folks off here nor
> > > stop the efforts to dig us out of the python.eclass mess.
Oh really? Well just as well you weren't actually trying. Not there is
any doubt without deliberate intent.
> > > That said, *this time around* that eclass should actually have a
> > > plan so that we don't wind up in the same cluster fuck scenario as
> > > prior.
> > >
Ah, ye have a way with words of the expletive kind. Pity that.
> > > It's a simple enough request; document your roadmap. Asking for
> > > reviews w/out that, frankly, is pointless
er yep. point here with some merit. The steps to filling that gap
are well in underway. mgorny has been busily beavering away making
guides of the -r1 kind and you ought note that some have been
reviewed, edited, submitted and commited to the gentoo land bank of
docs.
> > > (and sooner or later some asswipe like me is going to start -1'ing
> > > things till that's addressed).
> > >
> >
eeer yep, well, what more can we say.
> > If anyone wants to help in drafting a GLEP, I would appreciate it.
> > I'll try to start that this week.
> >
> > There will definitely be some holes, since I really don't have an
> > all encompassing plan in my head. But it will be good to fill those
> > in.
>
> Holes in the glep can be sorted/fleshed out; trust me, way more
> preferable sorting it there then in a live implementation the tree
> relies upon. :)
>
> Thanks-
> ~harring
>
not knowing Brian from any prior encounters, am pleased to make yr
acquaintance. I've been following mgorny's -r1 efforts with interest
from a front row seat in gentoo-python. I couldn't help but notice the
metaphorical steam shooting from his ears when came the prompt to
follow the plan suggested by on harring. It seems that the style of
reply from one harring to this one man band (mgorny's) effort has indeed
made an impact of resentment and hostility. One can only ponder as to
what brought this about.
That anyone has finally stepped up to make the alleged wrongs of the
python.eclass is is a watershed moment in itself. To take a watershed
moment and then hit it with such a volley of critique is, may I
suggest, pure folley. The young man has taken on a mammoth task and it
surprises me not that from time to time he discovers that he has bitten
off more than he intended to chew. Dare I say, cut him some slack and
a sense of gratitude for grabbing such a poisoned chalice with both
hands and running with it. Remembering the ways of the python state,
be they simple or complex, easily understood or macabe, ripple and
reverberate through to every corner of the gentoo portage list. It's
no trivial task in process.
He needs support, dollups and dollups of it. He has at least a trickle
at this point.
--
kind regards
Ian Delaney
