On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Tony "Chainsaw" Vroon <chain...@gentoo.org> wrote: > Binaries that are essential for system boot, and must be available in > single user mode go in /bin and /sbin, with their libraries in /lib. > This allows for /usr to be: > 1) marked read-only for NFS mounts, which some of us rely on > 2) inside of an LVM2 container, allowing for / to be (very) small > 3) on a squashfs filesystem, in order to save space
These are all things easily supported with an initramfs. In fact, initramfs-based solutions allow the same sorts of things to be done with all the other filesystems and not just /usr. > Trying to second-guess my motivation, and trying to undo unanimous > council votes simply because your opinion is different, really has to > stop. I don't think anybody is trying to undo council votes - people are just speculating as to what they voted on. The easiest solution is for somebody to say "I'm John Smith, and I am speaking officially for the council, and we agree that what was decided upon is X." It seems pretty clear that everybody wants to support a separate /usr. We even have multiple supported solutions, including an initramfs, a use flag on busybox, and I believe somebody posted a script that can be run during early boot to mount /usr. It sounds like the only thing that isn't supported is "doing nothing" - but with Gentoo if you "do nothing" you don't get an installed system that works on any configuration. > > I feel a lot better about vapier's pragmatic approach then I do about > udev/systemd upstream's ability and motivation to support current > systems. If you had any doubts about whether udev was part of the > problem, consider what tarball you will have to extract it from in future. Well, if others feel differently about the direction udev is taking, they can of course just fork it. I can't say I'm terribly excited about the amount of vertical integration going on. I don't run Gnome, and I don't run Unity. I really do prefer the unix way. However, I don't contribute much to those upstream projects, and I don't see much value in telling a bunch of people who do that they are doing it wrong. I don't like how Google develops Android in the dark, or that they bundle 1GB of third-party stuff in their Chromium source and distribute a favored binary-only derivative. However, I do like that they're giving me all of that stuff essentially for free, and so beyond the odd blog post I try not to give them too hard a time. In the same way I think we need to give the maintainers of these projects in Gentoo some slack, or join those projects and help them to address your needs. It is a lot easier to tell others what to do than to help make it happen, but a volunteer-based project like Gentoo needs the latter more than the former. Rich
