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Fabio Erculiani wrote:
| [02:31] <Halcy0n> lxnay: we offer all of our work that you base your
| distribution off, and you don't contribute back at all, in any way.
|
| ^^ This is a really stupid sentence. It seems some of you don't even
| realize how many users we brought to Gentoo, and this is really sad.

Saying 'this is stupid' won't convince anyone and moreover damage your attempt
to build any positive relationship. If the statement is false, simply show with
a few examples that it isn't true. To react to a (perceived) personal attack
with anger (even if justified) and (more) mudslinging is not going to achieve
anything than a further breakdown of communication. Try a more political
approach, if you want to get your point across.

Personally, I admire your attempt to contribute back and get bugs fixed. I am
all for better relationships between Gentoo and Sabayon, because I believe
cooperation will be to our mutual benefit. So I think the discussion should
concentrate on:
~    - what are the best ways to contribute
~    - what are the best channels to get bugs fixed
~    - how could we streamline these processes

I can't believe there is any serious dev that would not want improvement. On the
other hand, we are all volunteers and have limited time. Also, there is the
natural tendency in most people to stick with the known, to resist changes. And
in a big organisation such as Gentoo there will always be various differing
points of view. The resulting bureaucracy and politics is something we have to
live with, improving it where we can.

Therefore, I think that if you really want to improve things, you will have to
work with the current infrastructure. Keep filing bugs in bugzilla, keep
contributing patches, keep trying to work with other devs, and you _will_ gain
respect. That way you will also be in a much better position to suggest changes
and to propose ways of streamlining processes.

It may take a fair bit of investing time and even swallowing pride. But if you
do the work, and let personal attacks and annoyances slide off your thick skin,
you _will_ create a win-win situation.

Honestly wishing you the best,

Ben
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