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Dan Meltzer wrote:
> This time I'll say something useful :)
> 
> Nathan, you seem to be misunderstanding open source.  You get the "I
> can ask for features or suggest things" part, but not that "I can add
> features or do things part".  No one is stopping you, or me, or an
> average joe, or George W. Bush, from "peer reviewing".  You can see
> the basic things that are commonly wrong by looking at a few
> "resolved""wontfix" bugs with ciaranm as the commenter.  Most make the
> same mistakes.  After seeing this, what is to stop you from either
> manually looking through the tree, or writing a script to check for
> you, and fixing some of the problems, submitting them as bugs when
> they are fixed.

No, I understand what you're saying completely. I've been using F/OSS
for about 10 years now, and I've been an engineer/programmer for about 5
of those. So I know a little bit about both sides of the story. And I've
actually submitted an ebuild for thunderbird (although it was really
just an integration job of a couple of existing versions), so I'm
certainly not unwilling to get my hands dirty.

> I cannot imagine any developer would say no to a
> well written ebuild, they may wait for a version bump to switch to it,
> but they most likely would not ignore it all together.
>
> Hell, maybe if you do a good enough job, and show enough devotion, the
> gentoo guru's will even think about making you a developer in charge
> of fixing those things. who knows?
>

My experience with Gentoo is that certain developers ignore user
submitted ebuilds, bugs fixes, etc. and claim its a manpower/time issue.
Yet they fail to court the user submitting the ebuild into becoming a
developer too (thus helping relieve the manpower/time issue). And this
isn't me wanting to get noticed, mind you; I'm talking about other users
who regularly submit ebuilds and get ignored. So you end up with the "in
crowd" capable of making Gentoo better and the rest forced to either
fork or just go away. Chris even told Ciaran to not look at a user
submitted ebuild because it was the games group's territory. Yet the
games group 'FAQ' complains about how little time all of those dev's
have. Wouldn't it make more sense to recruit those folks and make your
team more capable of handling the load? THERE is your cathedral.

And again, thats just one example and not indicative of the entire
Gentoo dev team (or the entire games team for that matter).



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