> There seems to be a pattern with Chinese projects, that as soon as graduation > is over corporate interests take over and are valued higher than apache's.
>> This is not a pattern with Chinese projects. This is a serious accusation, >> IMO, and I'm afraid this categorization creates a biased tag. I agree that we should not categorize projects in this way. In my opinion, it's not "This is not a pattern with Chinese projects", but "We don't categorize projects in this way." ASF projects grow, and we have healthy projects that build a worldwide community despite their possible "origins." To Chris: If you're wondering how BifroMQ would work, let's focus the discussion around it. Projects that have third-party user community channels are good; we have many projects that run their own Slack workspace as a channel under the ASF Slack workspace. Specific projects that make decisions off-list can need more oversight and help; you can start a dedicated thread for them. I understand your concern about investing time and energy but getting cut off later, and we have related several threads on board@ to discuss the pattern, no matter what other tags it may have. But I'd suggest we avoid a tag that may create a scarecrow or suddenly blame unrelated projects. Best, tison. Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2025年3月26日周三 15:37写道： > > Hi Chris > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 2:47 PM Christofer Dutz > <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote: > > > > I'm just asking, because for example the previous projects, that i was a > > mentor of: iotdb and answer, who's email lists I used to follow, are > > completely closed to me now. During my job at timcho I was able to access > > their feishu insurance and participate. Now, I'm just as cut off as anyone > > else. > > > > There seems to be a pattern with Chinese projects, that as soon as > > graduation is over corporate interests take over and are valued higher than > > apache's. > > The podling project is like listening to a mentor's advice before graduation. > I always told the projects I mentored that they should wear two hats > (one from the community and the other from the company) when they do > their work. > This is not a pattern with Chinese projects. This is a serious > accusation, IMO, and I'm afraid this categorization creates a biased > tag. > > As mentors, we can still discuss the project by sending emails > directly to the PMC once they graduate, and we can escalate the > situation if the PMC refuses to change. > > > > > While I was on the board I wanted to help find new ways to be more open to > > such communities, but right now these are not what Apache would like to > > have, but actually demands and should enforce more. > > > > So I don't want to invest my time in a project, that I'm cut off after > > graduation. > > > > Chris > > > > > Willem > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
