With no further update, the consensus is clear from most that. The podlings should have `incubator-` prefix as most other projects followed.
Armoro and Hertzbeat PPMC team, please fix this. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Chao Gong <gongc...@apache.org> 于2024年4月17日周三 20:03写道： > > Hi rat O, > > Sorry for slowly response, We will clean the non-english language in the > codes later. > > Best Wishes. > Tom > > rat O <maggott...@hotmail.com> 于2024年4月17日周三 17:48写道： > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for the project > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > > > Thanks to the Apache members for responding. It make me know that this > > issue is being looked into. > > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of non-English > > languages in the codes, like these > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > > , > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > > , > > > > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > > ... > > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > > > I would also like to receive a response from Apache regarding this issue > > of a significant amount of non-English language in codes. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: tison <wander4...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2024 5:16 PM > > To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> > > Subject: Re: Questions about a new project entering Apache Incubator > > > > And [1] is actually update the community docs without INFRA changes. > > Previously (and now?), foo.incubator.apache.org has the same content with > > foo.apache.org unless you explicitly ask INFRA to change. > > > > Like even > > https://flink.incubator.apache.org/. > > > > I guess the main "pain point" is whimsy Web check checks " > > foo.incubator.apache.org" in config in some file on SVN before, and thus > > cause the Web check having a red mark. > > > > Best, > > tison. > > > > > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com>于2024年4月17日 周三17:02写道： > > > > > I vote in [1] since it's how we practice for quite a while and it's a > > > clear consensus by the vote. > > > > > > All the repo of podlings have incubator- prefix, I don't see a motivation > > > to change. > > > > > > In [2] it says: > > > > > > > make less work for Infra > > > > > > I wonder if INFRA complained for this process. And what is the associated > > > JIRA ticket in INFRA to do the rename. I'd like to take INFRA's opinion > > > into consideration. > > > > > > In my previous experience, keep the name "foo", let INFRA move the repo, > > > rename it to "incubator-foo", and drop the prefix on graduation. In this > > > way, the link "apache/foo" will always work with GH redirections. > > > > > > To John: > > > > > > > , it can be confusing that they do. > > > > > > What is the certain redirection causing your confusion? > > > > > > Best, > > > tison. > > > > > > [1] > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/n18gkb23bp005gb176jnwo2nrxty3z84 > > > [2] > > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>于2024年4月17日 周三12:09写道： > > > > > >> This is not to get the conclusion, and it is not clear, and many other > > >> project repositories are with this prefix. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/transferring.html#first_steps_outside_the_incubator > > >> (tison > > >> found) > > >> > > >> Graduation doc is there indicating incaubtor- prefix is expected. This > > is > > >> just a 10s operation on GitHub admin page, not a heavy work. Graduation > > is > > >> not happening every day, even not every month. Developer don't have to > > >> change remote git, as that redirect forward is supported too. > > >> > > >> More importantly, I don't agree this is clear without prefix. > > >> > > >> This us serious change, if you inist this is clear, start a vote. A lot > > of > > >> ppl in this context don't agree too. > > >> > > >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > >> > > >> Apache SkyWalking > > >> Twitter, wusheng1108 > > >> > > >> > > >> Justin Mclean <justinmcl...@gmail.com>于2024年4月17日 周三11:59写道： > > >> > > >> > Hi, > > >> > > > >> > Both of these projects are new and just getting set up. I'd give them > > a > > >> > little time to do that. Infra in recent years have asked to minimise > > >> work > > >> > for them on graduation. We recently dropped the requirement for having > > >> > incubating in podling domain names so I don't see it's needed in repo > > >> names > > >> > as long as it clear the project is an incubating project. > > >> > Kind Regards, > > >> > Justin > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, 1:47 pm Willem Jiang, <willem.ji...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > With the "incubator" profix, it's easy for us to tell if the project > > >> > > belongs to the incubator and it is still in the incubating process. > > >> > > Currently I cannot find any disclaimer document[1] in the repo root > > >> > > directory from [2][3] to tell if they are still in the incubator or > > >> > > not. > > >> > > > > >> > > [1]https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#disclaimers > > >> > > [2]https://github.com/apache/amoro > > >> > > [3]https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat > > >> > > > > >> > > Willem Jiang > > >> > > > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 11:06 AM Calvin Kirs <k...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software > > >> > > > Foundation. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I haven't specifically witnessed any formal decision or process > > for > > >> > > > removing the "incubator" prefix from repository names. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Unless there are compelling reasons to remove the "incubator" > > >> prefix, I > > >> > > > believe it's important to maintain a clear distinction between > > >> Podlings > > >> > > and > > >> > > > TLPs, especially in situations where confusion is likely to arise. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 10:32 AM Sheng Wu < > > >> wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Same mistake for Armoro as Hertzbeat team was misguided from > > >> > > > > https://github.com/apache/amoro/issues/2700 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > This is not discussed AFAIK, and the description is not correct. > > >> > > > > GitHub supported renaming and repository path forward > > >> automatically > > >> > > > > years ago. apache/incubator-foo -> apache/foo is transparent and > > >> both > > >> > > > > addresses work. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > This should not be changed randomly considering many other > > >> projects > > >> > > > > are using incubator- prefix. This renaming causes confusion. > > IPMC > > >> are > > >> > > > > making sure the website has `incubating` and disclaimer as > > always, > > >> > > > > suddenly some projects even could use repository names without > > >> > > > > prefixes. This is wrong. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Mentors of Armoro and Hertzbeat should follow the existing > > >> > > > > requirements, and PPMC members of these two projects should ask > > >> INFRA > > >> > > > > to rename, adding the incubator- prefix back. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > >> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Xuanwo <xua...@apache.org> 于2024年4月17日周三 10:19写道： > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for > > the > > >> > > project > > >> > > > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Based on the discussions in this mailing list, the only change > > >> made > > >> > > is > > >> > > > > the removal of `incubator` from the domain. Now, users access ` > > >> > > > > polding.apache.org` instead of `polding.incubator.apache.org` > > by > > >> > > default. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The project and releases are still required to include > > >> "incubator", > > >> > > and > > >> > > > > it's important for the PPMC to clearly communicate that this > > >> project > > >> > > > > remains under incubation. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > In this case, I believe Hertzbeat PPMC made a mistake. I will > > >> > suggest > > >> > > > > they rename it to incubator-hertzbeat. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, at 14:23, rat O wrote: > > >> > > > > > > First of all, congratulations to HertzBeat for successfully > > >> > > entering > > >> > > > > > > the Apache Incubator. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I noticed that the project has created an issue for an > > unknown > > >> > > license > > >> > > > > > > and is ready to address it. I'm sure the project will also > > >> > address > > >> > > > > > > other unknown licenses, if they exist. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I wonder if the situation of having a significant amount of > > >> > > non-English > > >> > > > > > > languages in the codes, like these > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/warehouse/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/warehouse/config/WarehouseProperties.java > > >> > > > > , > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/entity/manager/NoticeRule.java > > >> > > > > , > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/hertzbeat/blob/master/common/src/main/java/org/apache/hertzbeat/common/config/AviatorConfiguration.java > > >> > > > > > > ... > > >> > > > > > > , will all of them also be addressed in the future? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > For projects in incubation, is it no longer necessary for > > the > > >> > > project > > >> > > > > > > name to have the "incubator-" prefix as it used to be? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -- > > >> > > > > > Xuanwo > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > >> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > Best wishes！ > > >> > > > CalvinKirs > > >> > > > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
