> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has some expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a long time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.
First of all, I didn't know non-code contributors can also become a committer. :) I believe AGE would not have come this far had it not been for non-code contributors, especially users. Graph technologies are still relatively new from a developer perspective even though there are many hypes around for data insights and AI. But I see many graph enthusiasts? in the community really wanting to help others experience the benefit of graph. On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 8:32 AM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Ko <andrew...@agedb.io> wrote: > > > > Hello John, > > > > The number 68 includes > > > > - > > > > 28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged. > > - > > > > 40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and > informed > > opinion, answered AGE users’ questions, helped with code snippets to > > clarify how to use AGE. > > Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do > the many non-code activities. > > That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering > questions. > > > > > Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of > > expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph > > Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated > > expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In > addition > > we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent > > contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and > > diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a > strong > > and tight community. > > IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has > some expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a > long time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest. > > Many months is good. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Andrew Ko > > > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:12 AM John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your > >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are > the > >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low? > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal <e...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello Willem, > >>> > >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official > >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is > a > >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will > >> start > >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow. > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Eya > >>> > >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer, > >>>> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1]. > >>>> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just > >>>> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0. > >>>> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website > >>>> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host. > >>>> > >>>> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release > >>>> policies during the incubation process. > >>>> > >>>> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer. > >>>> > >>>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags > >>>> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files > >>>> [3] > >>> > >> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing > >>>> > >>>> Willem Jiang > >>>> > >>>> Twitter: willemjiang > >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal <badal...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community > >>> with a > >>>>> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that > >>> Apache > >>>>> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP. > >>>>> > >>>>> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC. > >>>>> > >>>>> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the > >> AGE > >>>>> project community has grown in the following areas: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Close to 900 commits > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> 68 unique contributors > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> 4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different > >>> companies/institutions > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Gathered > 500 GitHub stars > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> 4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3] > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> 6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers > >>> (mentors > >>>>> and PPMC members excluded) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe > >> including > >>>>> Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland, > >>> Israel, > >>>>> Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines, > >>> Russia, South > >>>>> Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4] > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions > >> of > >>> AGE. > >>>>> [5] > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6] > >>> and > >>>>> didn't find any issues > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9 > >>>>> > >>>>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm > >>>>> > >>>>> [3] Release at Apache AGE website <https://age.apache.org/#> under > >> the > >>>>> Releases menu. > >>>>> > >>>>> [4] https://age.apache.org/ > >>>>> > >>>>> [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website <https://age.apache.org/#> > >>> under > >>>>> the Documentation menu. > >>>>> > >>>>> [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website > >>>>> <https://age.apache.org/#> under the COMMUNITY menu. > >>>>> > >>>>> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what > >> you > >>>>> think. > >>>>> > >>>>> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Establish the Apache AGE Project > >>>>> > >>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests > >> of > >>>>> > >>>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to > >>> establish > >>>>> > >>>>> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and > >>> maintenance > >>>>> > >>>>> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, > >>>>> > >>>>> related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open > >>> technology > >>>>> > >>>>> with one of the most advanced relational database system software. > >>>>> > >>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee > >>>>> > >>>>> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is > >>>>> > >>>>> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further > >>>>> > >>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible > >> for > >>>>> > >>>>> the creation and maintenance of software related to combining the > >> most > >>>>> > >>>>> widely-adopted graph query open technology with one of the most > >>> advanced > >>>>> > >>>>> relational database system software.; and be it further > >>>>> > >>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache AGE" be and > >> hereby > >>>>> > >>>>> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction > >> of > >>>>> > >>>>> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache AGE Project, and to > >>>>> > >>>>> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the > >>>>> > >>>>> scope of responsibility of the Apache AGE Project; and be it further > >>>>> > >>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are > >>>>> > >>>>> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache AGE Project: > >>>>> > >>>>> * Dehowe Feng <deho...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Eya Badal <e...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Felix Cheung <felixche...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Jasper Blues <jas...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * John Gemignani <jgemign...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Josh Innis <joshin...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Juan Pan <panj...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Kevin Ratnasekera <djkevi...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Mason Sharp <ma...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Raphael Bircher <rbirc...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Suneel Marthi <smar...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Von Gosling <vongosl...@apache.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Eya Badal be appointed > >> to > >>>>> > >>>>> the office of Vice President, Apache AGE, to serve in accordance with > >>>>> > >>>>> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws > >>> of > >>>>> > >>>>> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or > >>>>> > >>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it > >> further > >>>>> > >>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is tasked with > >> the > >>>>> > >>>>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator AGE podling; > >> and > >>>>> > >>>>> be it further > >>>>> > >>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > >> Incubator > >>>>> > >>>>> AGE podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you for your time and consideration, > >>>>> > >>>>> Eya, on behalf of the Apache AGE (incubating) community > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > -- > > *Young Seung (Andrew) Ko* > > Chief Global Business Officer, AGEDB INC > > Open Source Community for Graph on PostgreSQL, Apache AGE > > <https://github.com/apache/incubator-age> > > - *E* andrew...@agedb.io > > - *M *+82-10-9465-1975 > > - My LinkedIn Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-y-ko-17b546159> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- *Young Seung (Andrew) Ko* Chief Global Business Officer, AGEDB INC Open Source Community for Graph on PostgreSQL, Apache AGE <https://github.com/apache/incubator-age> - *E* andrew...@agedb.io - *M *+82-10-9465-1975 - My LinkedIn Profile <http://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-y-ko-17b546159>
