> Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do the 
> many non-code activities.
> 
> That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering 
> questions.

Personally I thought code contributions were mandatory to be considered as 
being added to the PPMC team. If that is not the case there are some 
contributors that are worth considering to make PPMC members. They have 
consistently reported issues, asked about future development, answering issues 
that others raise and being a very active member of the project.

> It seems like they should be invited as a committer.

We are considering adding the author as a committer. His contributions have 
been somewhat recent and we haven't had time to add him yet.

On 2021/12/17 23:32:12 Dave Fisher wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Dec 17, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Ko <andrew...@agedb.io> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello John,
> > 
> > The number 68 includes
> > 
> >   -
> > 
> >   28 code contributors who submitted pull requests that were merged.
> >   -
> > 
> >   40+ who identified bugs, influenced the project with strong and informed
> >   opinion, answered AGE users’ questions, helped with code snippets to
> >   clarify how to use AGE.
> 
> Non-code contributors are also candidates to be committers. They can do the 
> many non-code activities.
> 
> That is how I was able to join my first PMC over 13 years ago. Answering 
> questions.
> 
> > 
> > Because of the nature of the project, committers require a broad range of
> > expertise in several areas including: Database (Postgres and SQL), Graph
> > Technology and Cyper, C language. While many contributors demonstrated
> > expertise in some areas, few had expertise in all disciplines. In addition
> > we restricted committer status to those who demonstrated consistent
> > contribution to the project over many months and across multiple and
> > diverse challenges. We felt this was the most prudent way to build a strong
> > and tight community.
> 
> IMO - You are setting the committer bar too high. If the contributor has some 
> expertise that’s good. Remember you want this project to survive for a long 
> time. If you set it too high then people will lose interest.
> 
> Many months is good.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Andrew Ko
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:12 AM John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi
> >> 
> >> Putting aside this subproject for a moment I am concerned with your
> >> contributor vs committer counts. If you’ve had 68 contributors why are the
> >> numbers for new committers and PPMC so low?
> >> 
> >> John
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 21:08 Eya Badal <e...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hello Willem,
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you very much for your feedback. There have been four official
> >>> Apache releases for the Apache AGE (incubating) project. AGE Viewer is a
> >>> sub-project of Apache AGE. As I know, the AGE viewer sub-project will
> >> start
> >>> the process for the first Apache release today or tomorrow.
> >>> 
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Eya
> >>> 
> >>> On 2021/12/17 01:12:55 Willem Jiang wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> 
> >>>> I just found out that we don't have the Apache release of AGE viewer,
> >>>> even though there are a bunch of tags in github[1].
> >>>> I also found the recent change[1] in master. It looks like we just
> >>>> addressed the License issue during the release of 0.6.0.
> >>>> The release process documentation[1] should be hosted on the website
> >>>> of age.apache.org instead of using a good drive[3] to host.
> >>>> 
> >>>> It's quite important that we learn to follow the Apache release
> >>>> policies during the incubation process.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Please double check with the mentors for the release of AGE viewer.
> >>>> 
> >>>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age-viewer/tags
> >>>> [2]https://github.com/apache/incubator-age/pull/157/files
> >>>> [3]
> >>> 
> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvAESVg7fRdSsxUuuOc3rHMkHcaOF28j/view?usp=sharing
> >>>> 
> >>>> Willem Jiang
> >>>> 
> >>>> Twitter: willemjiang
> >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 5:04 AM Eya Badal <badal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Dear Everyone,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Having passed the Community Graduation Vote [1] by the AGE community
> >>> with a
> >>>>> vote result to graduate the incubation [2], our assessment is that
> >>> Apache
> >>>>> AGE (Incubating) is ready to graduate as a TLP.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> We would like to raise the topic for discussion with the IPMC.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> In addition to building and releasing software the Apache way, the
> >> AGE
> >>>>> project community has grown in the following areas:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   Close to 900 commits
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   68 unique contributors
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   4 new committers and 1 new PPMC from 3 different
> >>> companies/institutions
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   Gathered > 500 GitHub stars
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   4 Apache releases (0.3.0, 0.4.0, 0.5.0, 0.6.0) [3]
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   6 mentors, 6 PPMC members (mentors excluded) and 4 committers
> >>> (mentors
> >>>>>   and PPMC members excluded)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   Contributions span more than 20 countries across the globe
> >> including
> >>>>>   Australia, Belarus, Belgium, China, France, Germany, Ireland,
> >>> Israel,
> >>>>>   Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Nigeria, The Philippines,
> >>> Russia, South
> >>>>>   Korea, Thailand, UK, Ukraine, USA, and Vietnam
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   Developed and maintained Apache AGE website [4]
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   Created and automated documentation to support multiple versions
> >> of
> >>> AGE.
> >>>>>   [5]
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   Developer conversations at d...@age.apache.org
> >>>>>   -
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>   Assessed ourselves against the Apache Project maturity matrix [6]
> >>> and
> >>>>>   didn't find any issues
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/q2cgbnhvpzk2k0m8yfh89lzc75qym9k9
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/lr3x9bm8jyv6o5kvyh7cf3tyxrpp2kwm
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> [3] Release at Apache AGE website <https://age.apache.org/#> under
> >> the
> >>>>> Releases menu.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> [4] https://age.apache.org/
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> [5] Documentation at Apache AGE website <https://age.apache.org/#>
> >>> under
> >>>>> the Documentation menu.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> [6] Apache Project maturity matrix at Apache AGE website
> >>>>> <https://age.apache.org/#> under the COMMUNITY menu.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Please see the proposed board resolution below and let us know what
> >> you
> >>>>> think.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The discussion will remain open for at least 72 hours.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>> 
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Establish the Apache AGE Project
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> >> of
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> >>> establish
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> >>> maintenance
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> related to combining the most widely-adopted graph query open
> >>> technology
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> with one of the most advanced relational database system software.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache AGE Project", be and hereby is
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is responsible
> >> for
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> the creation and maintenance of software related to combining the
> >> most
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> widely-adopted graph query open technology with one of the most
> >>> advanced
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> relational database system software.; and be it further
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache AGE" be and
> >> hereby
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> >> of
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache AGE Project, and to
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> scope of responsibility of the Apache AGE Project; and be it further
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache AGE Project:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Dehowe Feng <deho...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Eya Badal <e...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Felix Cheung <felixche...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Jasper Blues <jas...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * John Gemignani <jgemign...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Josh Innis <joshin...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Juan Pan <panj...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Kevin Ratnasekera <djkevi...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Mason Sharp <ma...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Raphael Bircher <rbirc...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Suneel Marthi <smar...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> * Von Gosling <vongosl...@apache.org>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Eya Badal be appointed
> >> to
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> the office of Vice President, Apache AGE, to serve in accordance with
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws
> >>> of
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
> >> further
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache AGE Project be and hereby is tasked with
> >> the
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator AGE podling;
> >> and
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> be it further
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >> Incubator
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> AGE podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thank you for your time and consideration,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Eya, on behalf of the Apache AGE (incubating) community
> >>>> 
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> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > *Young Seung (Andrew) Ko*
> > Chief Global Business Officer, AGEDB INC
> > Open Source Community for Graph on PostgreSQL, Apache AGE
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