Trying to answer two questions: Geertjan Wielenga wrote on 9/14/16 3:49 PM: > I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by > its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we > all start maintaining that, i.e., using the correct name, which is NetBeans > or, better yet, Apache NetBeans? > > Yes, Oracle is handing over everything in terms of trademarks to Apache, > let's put aside that discussion since it's true, if you can point in the > proposal where this is not clear or can be clearer, tell me and we will > change/add/whatever. FYI -- no one creating independent products based on > Apache NetBeans cares what its name is.
The branding requirement is that the ASF wholly legally owns the trademarks and goodwill therewith before a podling can graduate. Separately, during incubation and soon after a podling graduates to TLP, the ASF expects the donor to update their own displays of the name to properly reflect the ASF's ownership. That being said, I noticed that the trademarks were explicitly marked in the proposal, and know from past experience with an Oracle donation that the transfers weren't a problem, so I'm not concerned. The only issue will be how many registrations and/or primary landing pages at Oracle that will eventually need to be updated - I'm confident it will all be done, but Geertjan and team should be prepared for the amount of work when the time comes. 8-) > > Only two things are in discussion right now: (1) licensing [which has been > discussed quite a bit with Apache folks like Bertrand and Ate prior to the > proposal being published and we are comfortable we'll be able to solve > everything] and (2) infrastructure migration [which has been outlined > already, though we are working on a lot more details at the moment so that > everything will be crystal clear]. > > Thanks, > > Geertjan > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> > wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Wade Chandler >> <cons...@wadechandler.com> wrote: >>> Do you mean from the stand point of it being a Java based application, >> or that some how >>> NetBeans and the Java TCK are related? I don’t think either is an impact >> on NetBeans IMHO; >>> not any more than it is for the Eclipse IDE or IntelliJ. Do you mean >> because it is being contributed >>> by Oracle perhaps? If so, does the donor have as much impact on >> contributions as that once >>> adopted by Apache? I may be misunderstanding what you are asking. I am >> not an employee >>> of Oracle; just an NB contributor. >> >> I think the question is more along the lines of what else would be >> required to produce a "canonical" >> release of Apache Netbeans. If everything that is required is being >> donated -- I think we're good. Indeed - and remember, I'm not a regular NetBeans user. But when I google "NetBeans", I see lots of links of bundled JDK downloads and various plugins that do all sorts of cool Java stuff. My question is: does producing a fully working core NetBeans require running any TCKs? Similarly, do any of the top popular plugins that are de facto used by a large part of the community (and might come to Apache) need to run TCKs to ensure they comply with various Java standards? I might be misunderstanding the way NetBeans works myself, but I know that anything dealing with TCKs has been an issue for Apache projects for a while now, and the IPMC needs to understand if that's a likely issue for this potential podling or not. - Shane >> IOW, the project must be self-contained and not depend on anything >> still left behind the firewall >> to do on-going development and most important releases. E.g. if I send >> you a patch -- you can't >> reject it on the grounds that some test behind Oracle's frewall I've >> never seen failed. Stuff like >> that. >> >> On a related note, I haven't seen it explicitly mentioned in the >> proposal, but I hope you guys do >> realize that once this project is accepted the Netbeans brand belongs >> to Apache. IOW, if Oracle >> or anybody else ever want to have an independent product based on >> Apache Netbeans they will >> have to call it something else. >> >> Thanks, >> Roman. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
