Changing the title to clarify what we're talking about now. John
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:48 PM Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de.invalid> wrote: > Given that Geronimo is nowadays more a kind of „EE commons“, it might fit > in there. > > LieGrue, > strub > > > > Am 08.08.2016 um 22:32 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com > >: > > > > Le 8 août 2016 21:04, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <j...@nanthrax.net> a écrit : > >> > >> Hi John, > >> > >> I've probably missed your ping. That's right that last month I didn't > > sign for two reasons: > >> 1. the report was empty > >> 2. I don't see lot of activity on the BatchEE project: > >> 2.1. There are some commits ( > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-batchee/commits/master) but not > super > > active > >> 2.2. Same for the mailing lists: > >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-user/ > >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-dev/ > >> > >> I'm not sure that BatchEE can be a project by its own as I'm not sure we > > have a community around (especially an user community). > > > > To be honest got very various feesback from tomcat, standalone and tomee > > users. Putting batchee behind tomee or geronimo would kill the remaining > > 66% of users IMO and the community would be quite weird or not > > heterogeneous at least (so not a real one). That to say i have a very > mixes > > feeling about umbrella projects. > > > >> I agree with Romain that BatchEE could be part of a kind of umbrella > > project. > >> If we have good sign that we have an user community around, then it > makes > > sense to discuss about graduation. > >> > >> Regards > >> JB > >> > >> > >> On 08/08/2016 05:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > >>> > >>> Romain, > >>> > >>> I've actually been pushing to get BatchEE to graduate for some time. > > IMHO > >>> there's no more benefit in the incubator for you guys. > >>> > >>> I'm pointing out the issue, as last month a mentor refused sign off due > > to > >>> lack of content in your report. The current report doesn't seem to be > > much > >>> better. I pinged JB off list, so far no answer there either. > >>> > >>> - John > >>> > >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:49 AM Romain Manni-Bucau < > rmannibu...@gmail.com > >> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi John, > >>>> > >>>> Think we can be blamed to not have answered you but we took actions in > >>>> general. That said Mark was more pointing out that if there are issues > > with > >>>> the content it should probably be sent to batchee too explaining why > and > >>>> what is expected/how we can enhance it. Typically this time you > pointed > > out > >>>> it was "too empty" for you but I'm not sure there is a list I'm not > > aware > >>>> of but it would have been completely silently ignored cause batchee@ > >>>> wouldn't have been notified of that. > >>>> > >>>> More generally it is quite hard to fill this report for stable > projects > >>>> (which doesn't mean they are not alive but just they are stable enough > > to > >>>> not get as much activity as BigData projects ;)). I'm not sure we > should > >>>> group them either in a new umbrella project or an existing one - > > typically > >>>> we could create an inconsistent bucket in term of user communities but > >>>> consistent in term of maintainers/asf guys - or just keep it like that > > but > >>>> this "issue" will come back regularly I think and it would be great to > >>>> "skip" these round trips if possible and have a clear statement about > >>>> projects having by design an irregular activity - thinking to EE > > projects > >>>> which have a big activity after spec releases then mainly just > > maintenance > >>>> until next round. > >>>> > >>>> You probably guessed that I would love to avoid to let small projects > be > >>>> swallowed by bigger projects to skip this kind of lifecycle/activity > > issue > >>>> and avoid to create inconsistent (user) communities but I have to > admit > > I > >>>> don't have a good view of the incubator freedom we can have on that > > area. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > >>>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > >>>> <https://blog-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com> | Old Wordpress Blog > >>>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > >>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau> | > >>>> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber > >>>> <http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory > >>>> <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com> > >>>> > >>>> 2016-08-08 17:22 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org>: > >>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM Mark Struberg > <strub...@yahoo.de.invalid > >> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> John, others. Would you please also add in the BatchEE amendments I > > did > >>>>>> today. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Next time a draft is sent, it will be picked up (its just copy and > >>>> > >>>> paste). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> The feedback mechanism is great but we could improve this by also > >>>> > >>>> sending > >>>>>> > >>>>>> a mail to the respective podling if you have feedback. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I know that I've personally sent feedback/questions to BatchEE > before, > >>>>> without any response from the podling. > >>>>> > >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/262e43b2bb49d1ef5058a74f43b4f7 > >>>>> c1e4ec6b9fb4f5896d28e95918@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E > >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/044be9dc4b10136a7025ca5e031b33 > >>>>> 12e2dee8b93680483a754b594e@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E > >>>>> > >>>>> - John > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That way we could fix left-overs and missed paragraphs much easier. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> txs and LieGrue, > >>>>>> strub > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > >> jbono...@apache.org > >> http://blog.nanthrax.net > >> Talend - http://www.talend.com > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
