I agree. I think this project has been dead for a while, and we’re just prolonging the agony.
If we were to wind up the project, how would we proceed? A vote on concerted's dev list with lazy consensus, I presume? Is there any reason why I should not start a discussion/vote right now? Julian > On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Chris Nauroth <cnaur...@hortonworks.com> wrote: > > Hello John, > > Thank you for bringing up the topic again. As a Concerted mentor, I was > planning to do the same today. > > Just to confirm your observations, you are correct that there has been no > further visible progress. The only activity on the mailing list is from > the mentors asking if anything is going on and reminding the community to > file their reports. Again, there is no report. > > I'm not demanding any specific amount of activity, but complete lack of > any activity sure makes it look like the podling is not viable. I don't > think there is any remaining action that could be done by either the > mentors or the wider Incubator community to salvage it, but I'm certainly > open to suggestions if anyone disagrees. > > --Chris Nauroth > > > > > On 4/7/16, 5:49 AM, "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Sorry to bring back this long dead topic, but wanted to rehash what was >> discussed here. >> >> We're now 3 months later, and it seems that Concerted has not improved. >> is >> it time to call it? >> >> John >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:58 PM Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> >> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Everyone should read the subject and reset. >>> >>> If IPMC members having nothing better to offer than "give up" then >>> please >>> refrain from offering your advice to mentors asking for constructive >>> help. >>> >>> That is not to say projects should linger, but unless mentors advise it >>> we >>> should not be interfering. >>> >>> Ross >>> >>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Julian Hyde<mailto:jh...@apache.org> >>> Sent: ?1/?9/?2016 12:37 PM >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> >>> Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help >>> >>> (Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.) >>> >>> Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity >>> requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the >>> project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our >>> concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it >>> into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this >>> project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways >>> to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped, >>> then don't help. >>> >>> Julian >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net> >>> wrote: >>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth >>> <cnaur...@hortonworks.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of >>> activity. I >>>>> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the >>>>> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that >>> we >>>>> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly >>>>> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project >>> show >>>>> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other >>> podlings >>>>> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this >>> time. >>>>> >>>>> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the >>>>> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself. >>>>> >>>>> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to >>> re-establish >>>>> steady activity this month? >>>> >>>> >>>> What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into >>>> incubation? >>>> >>>> There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and >>> some >>>> years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new >>> requirements >>>> and >>>> interests by patch submittors or committers. >>>> >>>> By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in >>> weeks or >>>> months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded. >>> Do we >>>> really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the >>>> contrary, it >>>> is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and >>>> interesting >>>> territory, not an n commits/mo target. >>>> >>>> That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, >>> release >>>> often, >>>> demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc >>>> members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship >>>> required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project >>> that >>>> cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year >>> or >>>> two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract >>> a >>>> three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be >>> retired. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
