Sorry to bring back this long dead topic, but wanted to rehash what was discussed here.
We're now 3 months later, and it seems that Concerted has not improved. is it time to call it? John On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:58 PM Ross Gardler <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > +1 > > Everyone should read the subject and reset. > > If IPMC members having nothing better to offer than "give up" then please > refrain from offering your advice to mentors asking for constructive help. > > That is not to say projects should linger, but unless mentors advise it we > should not be interfering. > > Ross > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Julian Hyde<mailto:jh...@apache.org> > Sent: 1/9/2016 12:37 PM > To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help > > (Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.) > > Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity > requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the > project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our > concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it > into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this > project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways > to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped, > then don't help. > > Julian > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wr...@rowe-clan.net> > wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth <cnaur...@hortonworks.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of > activity. I > >> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the > >> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we > >> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays. The monthly > >> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show > >> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month. Still, other > podlings > >> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time. > >> > >> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the > >> mentor/shepherd notes. I just seconded that myself. > >> > >> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to > re-establish > >> steady activity this month? > > > > > > What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into > > incubation? > > > > There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and > some > > years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new requirements > > and > > interests by patch submittors or committers. > > > > By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in weeks or > > months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded. Do we > > really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy? On the > > contrary, it > > is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and > > interesting > > territory, not an n commits/mo target. > > > > That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, release > > often, > > demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc > > members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship > > required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF. A project > that > > cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year or > > two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract a > > three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be > retired. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
