Does there always have to be an actual problem before we can propose a policy? must we always be reactive instead of proactive?
Yes, I am in a way implying that some mentors are, perhaps, not neutral in their work. I will not back it up with specific names or contexts, as I don't want to take a trip to lawsuit town for things I cannot back up with publicly available information. I don't find this to be uncivil accusations - can you outline a specific segment that you find uncivil? I am proposing a set of basic rules - which is naturally up for discussion and improvement - that would potentially alleviate us from having some nasty discussions - whether they be public or private - about the neutrality and honesty of recommendations, and hopefully ensure we have a more leveled playing field in the incubator. I'll stop here, as my eyesight is playing a trick on me today and not allowing me to see what I type. With regards, Daniel. On 10/09/2015 08:03 PM, Chris Douglas wrote: > What problem does this solve? > > This proposal lacks context. It implies that mentors are not neutral, > and that they are motivated by interests not shared by the ASF. But it > does not outline the merits of that belief, neither does it specify > how this proposal would address them. Instead of allowing those > definitions to float, this discussion would be more productive if it > were about some concrete problems for which there is evidence. Yet > another thread of rude responses to uncivil accusations is > unproductive, even if it is an IPMC tradition. -C > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: >> Hi Incubator folks, >> >> I would like to propose we adopt a mentor neutrality policy for >> incubating podlings: >> >> - A mentor must not be financially tied to the project or its incubation >> status. >> - A mentor must not have a vested interest in incubating, graduating or >> dismantling a podling that goes beyond the general Apache mission >> - A mentor must not be affiliated with the entity granting the code >> (company or original project community) >> >> Furthermore, I would like to see this extended to votes on graduating or >> retiring podlings, so that only people with no organizational (aparty >> from the ASF) or financial ties to the project (or the companies behind >> it) can cast a binding vote on graduation or retirement. >> >> This would essentially mean: >> >> - If you work for a company (or are hired as consultant/advisor) that is >> entering a project into incubation, you cannot mentor it nor vote >> for/against its incubation, graduation or retirement. >> - If you are a in the original community behind the project, you cannot >> mentor it nor vote for/against it. >> >> I believe this would create a neutral mentorship whose sole mission is >> to guide podlings with the interests of the ASF in mind. >> >> >> Please do discuss this. If there is (mostly) positive feedback, I would >> like to, at some point, have a vote on including this in the Incubator >> policy. I realize this would cut down on the number of potential >> mentors, and I would ask that more people step up to the challenge of >> mentoring if adopted. >> >> With regards, >> Daniel >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
