On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hate to be a pissant, but why does it follow that new code has to be
> implemented in private?
>
> Building community can start with the first semi-colon.  It doesn't have to
> wait until the code is frozen.

We were having this conversation with a bunch of folks last night here
in Austin.

One thing Brian mentioned in his keynote this week is that our culture
borrows from the IETF for "rough consensus, running code".

It's extremely hard to come to Apache when you have a vague idea and no code.

The Incubator is simply too high a bar for folks who just want to play
with an idea and aren't sure where it is heading.

So, I wouldn't hold it against people - turn it on ourselves - how can
we create a process to facilitate people who aren't ready yet?

FWIW, my opinion from last night is that is exactly what GitHub is
for.  (Apache Labs was that place at one time, but it's only for
members - not external folks.)  Once you have that rough consensus and
running code and have a fledgling community of stakeholders, then it's
time to bring it to Apache via the Incubator.  To be fair, there were
others who disagreed; but, the rough consensus (ha!) was that the
Incubator hasn't yet cracked that model.

My $.02.  -- justin

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