> On 29 Dec 2014, at 14:46, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) > <ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > In Apache there is no such thing as a "Project Leader" > > The PMC Chair has no more authority over the project than anyone else. > > The PMC Chair absolutely does *not* have the power to dissolve the PMC. Only > the Board of Directors have that authority and they will only do that at the > request of the PMC as a whole (or when there is no active PMC to make such a > request). > > Ross >
Thanks, Ross, for the reminder! louis > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Purtell [mailto:andrew.purt...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 10:45 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off > > There are honorary and practical reasons why a project may view the PMC Chair > and the project leader as one in the same. > > Honorary: The community elevated one member as lead and assigned the Chair > role out of respect. > > Practical: The PMC Chair has the power to dissolve the PMC, and is an officer > of the Foundation. Nobody else on the project has such power nor > indemnification. "Secretary" as a term does not adequately encompass that. > > > >> On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2014 03:34 PM, sebb wrote: >>>> Flex had three great mentors, but to expect them to be the PMC Chair >>>> on >>>>> graduation would have been problematic. They were great mentors >>>>> because they had lots of experience from their work on other Apache >>>>> projects, and thus didn’t have time to stay active on a new TLP, >>>>> plus they really weren’t users or developers of the technology, >>>>> just our coaches on the Apache Way, and thus wouldn’t be good Chair >>>>> candidates as they weren’t as invested in the technology. But they >>>>> did stick around on at least the private@ lists and continue to do >>>>> so even 2 years after graduation where we consult them on occasion. >>>>> To require that a mentor be an active contributor limits the kinds >>>>> of technologies that can come to Apache to only those who can interest >>>>> someone with a lot of spare cycles. >>>>> >>>>> IMO, the mentors job is to teach, not to lead. >>> The job of the PMC chair is almost entirely administrative. >>> They are the link between the board and the PMC and their main role >>> is to ensure the board gets timely reports and to feed back comments >>> from the board. >>> >>> If a PMC is relying on the chair to drive it forward technically, >>> then I think something has gone wrong with the PMC. >>> >> >> Indeed. Big +1 on this. >> >> There are some projects that I've been watching lately where the PMC chair >> is viewed as the project lead, and that has a number of problems that go >> along with it. The PMC chair is a secretary, whose job is to file the right >> paperwork. A *hugely* important role, but not a technical lead role. >> >> -- >> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - >> @apachecon >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
