On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is conflicting from what the site said about governance of podling. > PPMC is a part of podling and responsible to manage the podling on behalf > of IPMC. > > I suppose you meant that their votes do not bind but saying it was never > part of the structure is misleading or we need to update the ASF website > about incubator roles page.
The conflicting bit is how you two are resolving the pronoun "our" in Ross' statement below.... the PPMC is not a formal part of the ASF's formal structure.... the PPMC is a formal part of the IPMC's internal organization. --tim > On Friday, July 25, 2014, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> wrote: > >> The PPMC is not, and never has been, a formally recognized part of our >> structure. But as I said that's a technicality in this context, the project >> (PPMC) are the people who really matter from the projects perspective, even >> though their votes are not binding. >> >> The thread seems to be in agreement in response to Justin's specific >> question. >> >> On 25 Jul 2014 01:20, "John D. Ament" <john.d.am...@gmail.com >> <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > >> > Ross, >> > >> > The incubator website would be inclined to disagree, and seems to >> > acknowledge there is formally a PPMC at [1]. >> > >> > Justin, >> > >> > I think formally, if you review [2] (you may also want to scroll down, >> and >> > review later parts of this page on voting), you'll see that the PPMC >> votes >> > really don't count for anything other than merit. The IPMC vote is what >> > really counts. If you follow that page verbatim, the votes by the IPMC >> are >> > the only ones that count. >> > >> > If you follow the alternative voting method, found at [3], you'll see >> that >> > votes via PPMC are acceptable if and only if the IPMC has agreed to such. >> > >> > >> > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html >> > [2]: >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#best-practice-incubator-release-vote >> > [3]: >> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ross Gardler < >> rgard...@opendirective.com <javascript:;>> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > There is no formal PPMC. When a podling is created all initial >> committers >> > > are equal. I guess some podlings might create the concept of a separate >> > > PPMC during incubation. I've never advised that in my own podlings >> > > (probably because I'm a believer in an absolute minimum barrier to >> entry). >> > > I guess it's up to individual projects and mentors just as our top >> level >> > > projects can decide if the PMC is the whole set or a subset of the >> > > committers >> > > On 25 Jul 2014 00:33, "Justin Mclean" <jus...@classsoftware.com >> <javascript:;>> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > > As a mentor I've (nearly) always advised that if there are three >> IPMC >> > > > votes on the dev list then there is no need to make further noise on >> the >> > > > general list with unnecessary +1's. I therefore point out in the >> general@ >> > > > vote mail that 3 binding (IPMC) +1's have been received and therefore >> > > there >> > > > is only a need to vote if there is an objection. >> > > > Fair enough + seem reasonable to me. >> > > > >> > > > > TECHNICALITY: PPMC votes are not binding (although they absolutely >> > > > should be considered as such by the project). Only IPMC votes are >> > > > considered binding at the foundational level since PPMC members are >> not >> > > yet >> > > > a member of a formal committee. >> > > > You need 3 +1 votes first on the podlings dev list, and PPMC votes do >> > > > count there, we wouldn't see a lot of podling releases otherwise. :-) >> > > Does >> > > > that mean any +1 vote (say by a committer or user) on the dev list >> also >> > > > counts if PPMC votes aren't actually considered binding? (I'd assume >> not >> > > > but again it's not clear from the document). >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > Justin >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> <javascript:;> >> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> <javascript:;> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
