On 3/14/14 8:19 PM, sebb wrote: > On 14 March 2014 20:16, Cory Johns <john...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Ok, I think we've addressed all of the issues. Namely: >> >> * The status page (http://incubator.staging.apache.org/projects/allura.html) >> has been updated, and now the correct canonical project web page (namely >> https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/), as well as having an improved >> project description, links to the docs, and updated news items >> >> * The aforementioned docs are now hosted at >> https://forge-allura.apache.org/docs/ (which is also linked to from the >> main project page at https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/) >> >> * The footer on https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/ has been fixed >> with the correct trademark and copyright information and links >> >> * All Apache Allura (incubating) references have been corrected on >> http://incubator.staging.apache.org/projects/allura.html, >> https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/, and >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/allura/ >> >> Additionally, the unused page at http://incubator.apache.org/allura/ has >> been updated to automatically redirect to the main project page at >> https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/, and its associated (unused) >> download page has been updated with a link to the releases repository, so >> that they are useful for people who may have bookmarked them previously, >> even though they are no longer linked to from anywhere. >> >> This should cover all of the concerns that have been raised thus far, save >> for the location of the issue tracker which, as previously mentioned, is a >> difficult undertaking that will be addressed in the future (and the status >> page indicates this). > > Well, there is still the issue of the download page. > There does not seem to be any way to find it from the new site.
There's a download button in the middle of the page. > > Also there are some branding requirements that are missing from the site. > > See http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html > > In particular > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation I've added these links to our main navigation page. I've also added the ™ as required. Thanks for your feedback on all this. Is there anything else we're missing for graduation? > >> With these changes, we are hopeful that we can proceed with and pass the >> graduation vote. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 8:18 AM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> If the home page really is >>> >>> [1] http://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura >>> >>> then why does the status page >>> >>> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/allura.html >>> >>> point to >>> >>> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/allura/ ? >>> >>> The host [1] is described on the status page [2] as being the Wiki, >>> which is normally separate from the project page. >>> >>> There seems to be very little on [3] that is not on [1] so it could >>> probably be dropped. >>> >>> However the Wiki [1] does not have the correct footer, it only says: >>> >>> "This project is powered by Allura." >>> >>> That should be Apache Allura. >>> And the pages also need the standard trademark attributions. >>> The site [3] does have the following: >>> >>>>> >>> Copyright © 2011 The Apache Software Foundation, Licensed under the >>> Apache License, Version 2.0. >>> Apache and the Apache feather logo are trademarks of The Apache >>> Software Foundation. >>> << >>> >>> However that fails to mention Apache Allura and Allura as being >>> trademarks of the ASF. >>> >>> >>> On 14 March 2014 04:32, Dave Brondsema <d...@brondsema.net> wrote: >>>> On 03/13/2014 10:00 PM, David Nalley wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:54 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <r...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> After looking at it for some time, my optimistic outlook >>>>>>> on the project would be +0 vote at best. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the plus side, the community seems to be really active >>>>>>> and reasonably diverse. But if feels, like ASF has not yet >>>>>>> become a true home for the project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's what I'm talking about: as a casual bystander who >>>>>>> was trying to view Allura as an ASF project -- I had difficult >>>>>>> time. First of all, I couldn't even get to the releases easily >>>>>>> enough: https://incubator.apache.org/allura/downloads.html >>>>>>> When I managed to get there the first thing that the README >>>>>>> instructed me to do is to go to https://forge-allura.apache.org/ >>>>>>> What is that? How does it relate to the project? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact, from the dev list it feels like there may be yet another >>>>>>> canonical place for the Allura -- over at sourceforge: >>>>>>> >>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-allura-dev/201402.mbox/%3C52F80CA5.8060209%40brondsema.net%3E >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not quite sure if penalizing the project with a failed graduation >>>>>>> vote is the right thing to do, but the state of the outwards facing >>>>>>> project assets doesn't inspire a feel of a strong ASF community in me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my 2c worth of feedback. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The projects bug tracker also seems to be at sourceforge.net, which >>>>>> means you need a sf.net account to participate in the project. Based >>>>>> on a quick perusal most of the dev@ traffic seems to be bug tracker - >>>>>> which means most of this is happening at SourceForge. I don't know >>>>>> that this is really problematic - we do have projects using github as >>>>>> the main portion of the contribution workflow, but it does give me >>>>>> pause. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also see http://sf.net/p/allura - which bears a SF logo, and which >>>>>> doesn't note the fact that the project is at the incubator until 1/2 >>>>>> down the page. And nowhere on the page is it referred to as Apache >>>>>> Allura. From a standpoint of the project which is supposed to be >>>>>> policing its brand, this leaves me a bit worried - this page shows an >>>>>> update to that page recently; and appears at least to the outside >>>>>> world to be the nexus for the project and maintained by members of the >>>>>> PPMC. (first return on Google is the sourceforge link.) To be clear >>>>>> other projects have listings at Sourceforge, so aside from the brand >>>>>> and trademark policing that needs to happen, I am not sure the >>>>>> existence of the page is much to be concerned about. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's a notice on the page that reads: "Some project information is >>>>>> still at SourceForge during this transition period." and indeed, >>>>>> there's http://allura.sourceforge.net/docs/ which looks surprisingly >>>>>> good when compared with http://incubator.apache.org/allura which >>>>>> doesn't have a working bug tracker link, and steps listed for building >>>>>> Allura consists of 'TODO'. All of the content from the allure source >>>>>> forge site appears to be in the Apache Allura git repo, so I am >>>>>> curious why it isn't published at the ASF. And again, we have projects >>>>>> who host documentation at ReadTheDocs, so I am not sure that >>>>>> documentation living elsewhere is an inherent problem, but it gives me >>>>>> pause. >>>>>> >>>>>> Individually I don't know that any of these are problematic; but I am >>>>>> curious what the mentors take on it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> --David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And it's just dawned on me what's happening. >>>>> The project is using http://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura as it's >>>>> home page instead of http://incubator.apache.org/allura which appears >>>>> to have all of the appropriate content (according to a google cache) >>>>> but is down right now. It's making more sense; is the intention to >>>>> make that the project home page? (e.g. allura.apache.org) >>>>> >>>> >>>> You got it! (And bad timing that it was down for several hours today - >>>> its back up now). >>>> >>>> Roman and sebb had similar comments to yours, so I'll respond in a >>>> single email. >>>> >>>> We are self-hosting at http://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura so that >>>> is really our "home page". It has a clear download link, and git browse >>>> link, and the text doesn't equate the project == the software. But it >>>> is missing a link to http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0. (Note >>>> this domain forge-allura.a.o also has the future potential to be a >>>> project hosting platform for other interested Apache projects besides >>>> Allura itself) >>>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/allura is not maintained as is obvious. >>>> That should just go away or be redirected to >>>> forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura Similarly when we're a TLP, >>>> allura.apache.org can just redirect there. >>>> >>>> We should update http://sf.net/p/allura to remove the SF logo, and >>>> clearly identify it as Apache Allura and incubating, so it adheres with >>>> Apache branding guidelines. >>>> >>>> The docs at http://allura.sourceforge.net/docs/ could be moved to live >>>> at a URL like http://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/docs with a little >>>> work. No reason not to. >>>> >>>> Tickets are the other item still on SourceForge. We do want to move >>>> them over to the forge-allura.a.o host, but to be frank its going to be >>>> quite a lot of work and we haven't gotten to it. The SourceForge ticket >>>> tracker is configured to send ticket activity to the allura-dev list so >>>> there is visibility and transparency to ticket activity. We didn't >>>> think it'd be a graduation blocker to have tickets on a different host. >>>> As has been mentioned, other projects have tickets elsewhere too. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps clarify the situation. We will work on polishing up >>>> the remaining rough edges (perhaps everything except tickets location) >>>> in the next few days and then provide an update again on this thread. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Brondsema : d...@brondsema.net >>>> http://www.brondsema.net : personal >>>> http://www.splike.com : programming >>>> <>< >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- Dave Brondsema : d...@brondsema.net http://www.brondsema.net : personal http://www.splike.com : programming <>< --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
