On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <r...@apache.org> wrote: > After looking at it for some time, my optimistic outlook > on the project would be +0 vote at best. > > On the plus side, the community seems to be really active > and reasonably diverse. But if feels, like ASF has not yet > become a true home for the project. > > Here's what I'm talking about: as a casual bystander who > was trying to view Allura as an ASF project -- I had difficult > time. First of all, I couldn't even get to the releases easily > enough: https://incubator.apache.org/allura/downloads.html > When I managed to get there the first thing that the README > instructed me to do is to go to https://forge-allura.apache.org/ > What is that? How does it relate to the project? > > In fact, from the dev list it feels like there may be yet another > canonical place for the Allura -- over at sourceforge: > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-allura-dev/201402.mbox/%3C52F80CA5.8060209%40brondsema.net%3E > > I am not quite sure if penalizing the project with a failed graduation > vote is the right thing to do, but the state of the outwards facing > project assets doesn't inspire a feel of a strong ASF community in me > > Just my 2c worth of feedback. >
The projects bug tracker also seems to be at sourceforge.net, which means you need a sf.net account to participate in the project. Based on a quick perusal most of the dev@ traffic seems to be bug tracker - which means most of this is happening at SourceForge. I don't know that this is really problematic - we do have projects using github as the main portion of the contribution workflow, but it does give me pause. I also see http://sf.net/p/allura - which bears a SF logo, and which doesn't note the fact that the project is at the incubator until 1/2 down the page. And nowhere on the page is it referred to as Apache Allura. From a standpoint of the project which is supposed to be policing its brand, this leaves me a bit worried - this page shows an update to that page recently; and appears at least to the outside world to be the nexus for the project and maintained by members of the PPMC. (first return on Google is the sourceforge link.) To be clear other projects have listings at Sourceforge, so aside from the brand and trademark policing that needs to happen, I am not sure the existence of the page is much to be concerned about. There's a notice on the page that reads: "Some project information is still at SourceForge during this transition period." and indeed, there's http://allura.sourceforge.net/docs/ which looks surprisingly good when compared with http://incubator.apache.org/allura which doesn't have a working bug tracker link, and steps listed for building Allura consists of 'TODO'. All of the content from the allure source forge site appears to be in the Apache Allura git repo, so I am curious why it isn't published at the ASF. And again, we have projects who host documentation at ReadTheDocs, so I am not sure that documentation living elsewhere is an inherent problem, but it gives me pause. Individually I don't know that any of these are problematic; but I am curious what the mentors take on it is. --David --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
