I think that all of this might boil down to the observation, way back in this thread, that there are different patterns of incoming projects.
Some incoming podlings are very small groups of people. If they are paying attention, they know that attracting new people will be their biggest problem. Interested, enthusiastic, existing Apache committers/PMC members/foundation members are exactly what they want. They aren't a community yet, and starting out with a batch of people who have some idea how to run one is just fine. Other incoming podlings have an existing community. They are willing to work to adapt that community to Apache norms. We may not have observed them in their past, but it's reasonable to respect them to the extent of allowing them to set up shop as themselves and then bring in others via the usual process. Open Office was a special and unusual case on just about every dimension, so I don't think that it's necessary for every mental schema to perfectly fit that history. It seems to me that the cooler voices here, including particularly Bertrand, see this whole incident as an unfortunate misunderstanding over this distinction, and a tiny bit of policy clarification will fix it, with no further need for rhetoric. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
