C'mon Tim this was not done as a "social norms can be overridden/bullied occasionally by headstrong, salty old-timers" thing at all. It was something that seemed small and simple and innocent.
However if its such a major thing then the PPMC can vote Debo in as soon as it starts. No biggie. Honest. Really not worth all this email. I'm afraid to re-edit the proposal to remove him ... not sure what the right/safe thing is. Incubator has become even more interesting since the last time I was active in it ;-). Cheers, Sanjiva. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Ross Gardler > <rgard...@opendirective.com> wrote: > > I respectfully suggest your intervention is an example of ISSUE 03 (too > > many cooks). As a champion I'm interested in podlings learning the Apache > > Way - a significant part of this is to not let unnecessary process get in > > the way of software development. > > > > The vote is still open and can be stopped with a veto. This is a > reversible > > step. It is done in full view of the voting community. No harm is done > and > > a little extra work for a number of volunteers is avoided. > > C'mon, it's frustrating that folks are now casting Marvin as an > annoying "rule follower". For all votes here, you review a > proposal/RC/committer candidate, you vote. And that vote is based on > the state of the proposal as it were when you voted. That the proposal > is immutable is a well-established social norm, certainly not news to > you, Sanjiva, or anyone else... > > A voter should be able to vote and forget about it. They shouldn't > need to constantly go back and look for changes since casting their > vote. No one would, for example, allow this sort of nonsense in a > release candidate vote. > > Debo didn't have things worked out in time, not a big deal; vote them > in after the proposal succeeds, that's truly a trivial exercise for > such a distinguished list of folks. > > Another option is to discount votes prior to the last mutation. Or, > we add a wiki page that explains to new folks how the social norms can > be overridden/bullied occasionally by headstrong, salty old-timers as > they see fit... > > Thanks, > --tim > > > Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity > > On 18 Jun 2013 03:18, "Marvin Humphrey" <mar...@rectangular.com> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Ross Gardler > >> <rgard...@opendirective.com> wrote: > >> > C'mon Marvin. The project has enough ASF committers on the initial > >> > commiter list (ignoring mentors) to be able to conduct a committer > >> > vote. > >> > > >> > Lets not add unnecessary bureaucracy during the initial set-up phase. > >> > >> Voting in a new committer isn't a lot of work, and Stratos has a lot of > >> resources behind it. Following the rules wouldn't have been a big deal. > >> > >> I'm not prepared to blow up the Incubator over this issue, though -- > only > >> to > >> ask nicely. > >> > >> If Stratos later experiences frustration regarding the Incubator's > >> conflicting > >> rules and inconsistent enforcement of rules, now they'll know where that > >> comes > >> from. > >> > >> Marvin Humphrey > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Sanjiva Weerawarana, Ph.D. Founder, Chairman & CEO; WSO2, Inc.; http://wso2.com/ email: sanj...@wso2.com; phone: +94 11 763 9614; cell: +94 77 787 6880 | +1 650 265 8311 blog: http://sanjiva.weerawarana.org/ Lean . Enterprise . Middleware
