On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:15 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 2/4/2012 12:45 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> If it is different from Chris's then I think Bill should write his proposal. > > Dave, mine is not difference in process, substance or requirements.
Do you advocate the 3 Apache Members per Project rule? I think that is a significant difference and I really wonder where Chris came up with that value. I reviewed this page: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html I counted the number of members by incubating project and also TLP / PMCs. Data below. For incubating projects I see from 0 - 14 members. At a glance 3 or 4 is a median value. I know that not all Mentors choose to be on the PPMC. Is there data on Mentors per project? For TLPs I see from 0 - 48 members on PMCs. Many have less than 3. Under Chris's plan many TLPs would not qualify for incubation. I also thought that you were advocating that an iPMC remain to take a role in parallel to comdev, legal, trademarks, pr, and infrastructure without a time limit, but there have been so many emails that it is hard to grasp if you've changed your position. > > Chris and 7 board members are now familiar with the delta, which is > really not up for incubator to choose. The question is simply whether > the board will oversee the process, documented by ComDev, with a third > driver in the incubating project entry/exit process (a VP in addition > to the Chairman and Mentors), or not. I did not realize until I did my review that I am one of three exceptions to the IPMC is a Member rule. > > Because that VP is simply a board-delta, it's going to be up to the > board, if the new schema is adopted, whether they want that additional > driver to take some load off of their collective plate. I assume they > will, Chris assumes they won't, and the board, not this committee, is > going to be the one to decide that. OK. Regards, Dave Attaching my data which may be inaccurate. Members on Incubating projects: incubator-pmc - all but 3. accumulo - 0 airavata - 2 ambari - 4 amber - 9 any23 - 5 bigtop - 6 bloodhound - 3 bval - 11 celix - 3 chukwa - 4 clerazza - 6 deft - 0 directmemory - 8 droids - 4 easyant - 4 etch - 0 flex - 2 flume - 4 giraph - 1 hama - 2 hcatalog - 3 hise - 3 isis - 7 jena - 5 jspwiki - 5 juice - 2 kafka - 3 kato - 3 kitty - 4 mesos - 3 mrunit - 3 npanday - 4 nuvem - 9 ognl - 4 ooo - 6 oozie - 0 openmeetings - 3 opennlp - 2 photark - 5 rat - 14 rave - 4 s4 - 3 sis - 6 socialsite - 2 sqoop - 4 stanbol - 6 tashi - 3 vcl - 3 vxquery - 3 wave - 6 wink - 4 wookie - 3 yoko - 10 zetacomponents - 3 TLPs (not all are marked -PMC so some are missing.) adbera - 3 activemq - 9 ant - 9 apr - 35 archiva - 6 aries - 16 avro - 1 axis - 19 buildr - 3 camel - 8 cayenne - 3 chemistry - 4 cocoon - 12 commons - 27 continuum - 5 couchdb - 3 cxf - 7 db - 13 directory - 7 empire - 3 esme - 2 felix - 11 forrest - 6 geronimo - 18 gora - 5 gump - 10 hadoop - 9 hbase - 2 hive - 0 httpcomponents - 6 httpd - 48 jackrabbit - 10 james - 4 jmeter - 5 juddi - 1 karaf - 7 lenya - 8 libcloud - 1 logging - 8 lucene - 10 mahout - 4 maven - 15 mina - 6 myfaces - 9 nutch - 4 ode - 6 oodt - 7 openejb - 6 openjpa - 2 openwebbeans - 5 pdfbox - 3 pig - 1 pivot - 3 poi - 4 portals - 7 qpid - 4 river - 1 roller - 2 santuario - 2 servicemix - 11 shindig - 3 shiro - 1 sling - 6 spamassassin - 4 struts - 5 subversion - 25 synapse - 8 tapestry - 2 tcl - 4 thrift - 2 tika - 6 tiles - 4 tomcat - 13 turbine - 4 tuscany - 9 uima - 4 velocity - 5 whirr - 3 wicket - 5 ws - 18 xalan - 7 xerxes - 5 xml - 13 xmlbeans - 4 xmlgraphics - 2 zookeeper - 2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
