I agree with the general point about the legality of using the
org.apache namespace. However, I think there is a significant issue
here. People assume that org.apache code is from Apache. And the
reasoning that its too much effort to rename is frankly wrong. Even
sed could do a decent job and probably sort the problem out.

I think the usage of org.apache should be considered in the same way
as the Apache Logo - something that the ASF controls rigorously to
protect our brand image.

Paul

On Jan 22, 2008 8:12 PM, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2008 6:23 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think the terminology in the subject is wrong.
> >
> > You are not "moving a failed incubation project." That project is dead.
> >
> > What you can do is to use the code in another project, and assume all
> > responsibility to verify that the license in the code is correct.
> >
> > What you can't do is to use the Apache brand for another project,
> > meaning to use the package names including apache if it's not an
> > Apache project.
>
> I thought the whole point of the AL was that pepople could take code
> away and do whatever they want with it - it doesn't say in the AL you
> can "do whatever you want with it as long as you rename the packages".
>
> Niall
>
> > And please be aware that the code might be tainted. Since it never
> > left incubation, the code's provenance might never have been vetted.
> > So you don't really know what you're getting, in terms of ownership,
> > license, patent, etc. If you use the code you're responsible for
> > making sure it's really ok.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Hans Granqvist wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I want to move a failed incubation project (TSIK) to Google Code,
> > > but the source is full of org.apache.* packages, so I'm not sure
> > > what the right way to do this is. (The code would keep the same
> > > ASF 2.0 license.)
> > >
> > > Changing the package names will break any and all code, so if
> > > it'd be great if that's avoidable.
>
>
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