Ted Husted wrote: > > As to a podling proposal, I would suggest that we expect all Mentors > be ASF Members or IPMC Members. If someone would like to be a Mentor > but is not already a ASF Member, we could always elect that person to > the IPMC first, and then accept the proposal.
Keep in mind ASF Members are accepted into the iPMC by an ack, without objections. Non-ASF members, although very helpful to the management of the incubator, are accepted through the usual meritocracy you see at every ASF project. (In the case of ASF Members they already passed the 'merit' part of the meritocracy, as iPMC is a foundation-wide project managing the goal of 'entry' to the foundation for new efforts.) With 20/20 hindsight, I'm becoming much more loathe to accept non-members as mentors. (As new podling contributors? Certainly! There is a low bar to participate in most new efforts.) But the mentorship role is very specific, and critical in guiding new efforts to ensure their success. That's why I'm continuing to strongly favor no-less-than-three mentors and ASF members-as-mentors. When I say 20/20, I'm not suggesting to disrupt any incubating project. I'd also evaluate 'why non-ASF person Joe should be this effort's mentor' statements on a case-by-case basis. But the typical case indicates to me a few possibilities, 1. not enough member involvement to have three per podling, 2. too many incubating podlings at the same time to continue effective oversight of them all, 3. would Joe be trying to inject hisself into podling X without measurable podling X merit, and finally 4. has the ASF overlooked nominating Joe for ASF Membership? ASF members -do- have additional insights from private forums, and the ability to oversee most of the private forums at the ASF. This means they can (and do) go back to the archives to look back at how a specific issue (people issues, company issues, legal issues) were addressed in similar cases to help guide a podling away from trouble. They also have made their mark on the Foundation (which is why they are members). That gives me a bit of reassurance that our mentors have less to prove, and can help guide the project from 10,000 feet rather than in the trenches, where egos can get in the way. That said, there are dozens of things our iPMC members do to help the incubator, aside from mentoring. Our non-ASF member iPMC folks are all terrific illustrations of this. If you can give me some counter examples of why non ASF member mentorship is a positive thing, I'd certainly consider those. Yours, Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
