Roy T. Fielding wrote:
The people listed in the proposal as committers are the PPMC. If some
project allows too many people to jump on the proposal at the beginning
in order to make the proposal look better to Apache, then they are stuck
with the results. Don't like that answer? Then dissolve the podling
and start over. Have committers that haven't bothered to contribute?
Then vote them off the island, just like a real PMC. Truth in advertising
demands that you follow the process as described in the proposal and
use the Apache mailing lists for all project discussions.
+1. Reading through this thread it reads like we want to have our cake
and eat it to.
- We want to have a full proposal that we approve and vote on, then we
want to ignore the bits of the proposal we don't like (initial list of
committers).
- We want a podling to generate a community, but the first bit of
community they build (the communal decision in a proposal as to who is
allowed to commit) we decide we want to ignore. Even worse, we now
don't even want to allow them to even suggest that list - we want to
create an arbitrary bureaucratic beast (the PPMC) that will make that
decision for them. (Before anyone jumps down my throat - I like the
PPMC, but it should represent the community, not (within reason) enforce
a style on the community.)
Personally I want to see community in action. Let the initial list of
committers in, make them the PPMC and watch what happens. If we don't
like the way it settles down - *then* we have a reason to step in and argue.
And as far as I'm concerned - if the people who wrote the proposal
agreed to the names being on the list, then those names should
automatically carry through as committers. If you don't like the
results - then as Roy says - "Vote them off the island". But do it
openly, do it transparently and do it on the lists.
BTW - There is a middle ground here. There is nothing that says that
the list of committers must carry through from podling to project. Why
not have a review prior to being made a project that looks at all
commits? If anyone on the initial list has never committed or
contributed during the course of the incubation, then they get removed
from the committer list. That can even be a process that the PPMC votes
on prior to exit.
Cheers,
Berin
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