Hi Matthieu, good to hear from you. At this point, it might be worth determining what you think the starting point is for building a strong implementation. If it is in the Sybase contribution, we could start with a new project and integrate any additional value from Agila towards that so that you don't lose anything.
On 2/4/06, Matthieu Riou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bill, > > I just want to clarify that we (myself and Chris Lim) were not against > your contribution in Agila at all, we just wanted to make sure that > the code remained open to others' code contributions as well. We > wanted to keep the project open and collaborate with you without > ditching the existing code that might have some good things in it too > and eventually accept other pieces of work. > > I think we were more in the prospect of building a strong > implementation by assembling good pieces than integrating one out of > the box. I apologize if this is the source of the current > "controversy". > > Best regards, > > Matthieu. > > On 2/3/06, Bill Flood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dims, I'll take Cory off the hook since he was acting in good faith on > > behalf of Sybase :-). > > > > As we are learning, there are a variety of ways to work within the > Apache > > process as long as the community is supportive. From the Sybase > > perspective, we are interested in working with a vibrant community in a > > meaningful way that balances the needs of the community with that of our > > own. > > > > when we first started thinking about the open source path, we looked at > > Agila and communicated with the developers. While the Agila developers > were > > quite helpful, the project was not open to our contribution and our > > assessment was that their existing code line would take substantial work > to > > bring it up to where we thought we already were. > > > > When we looked at ServiceMix, we found a mature community that not only > > appeared open to a contribution such as ours but one which would help us > > establish a good affinity with the ESB. The Sybase folks working on > this > > code line will continue to vigorously support the orchestration > component > > and provide help in adjacent areas related to SCA. > > > > At this point, we feel comfortable in our contribution to the ServiceMix > > project based on the positive uptake. Under the rules of meritocracy, > we > > will work to ensure that the interfaces remain clean and the build > granular > > enough to be reused and hope to work with you in the future. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Bill > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > From: Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: Let's rewind!!! (Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a > business > > process engine into the ServiceMix project) > > > Sent: 02 Feb '06 21:12 > > > > > > Cory, > > > > > > Could you please get James' help and draft a complete proposal? > > > > > > Please see > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=incubator+proposal+site%3Awiki.apache.org&btnG=Search > > > for a list of proposals, their format and their content. > > > > > > Once the proposal is ready, please post it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Also, > > > please take a peek at the documentation on the > > > http://incubator.apache.org/ site especially w.r.t to the incubation > > > process, what to expect and steps involved. > > > > > > thanks, > > > dims > > > > > > On 2/2/06, cory < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > BPEL 1.1 is supported. The code works with Axis 1.3. > > > > > > > > Sybase wants this code to be successful within the community and is > > > > going to work to support it. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > -cory > > > > > > > > On 2/2/06, Davanum Srinivas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > There is no proposal, there is just a zip, unless someone is a > > > > > clairvoyant, we can't figure out things like. *PLEASE* CC > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > - Which specific version of the spec is implemented? > > > > > - Where are the list of known issues? > > > > > - Where is the TODO list? > > > > > - Why is Axis version 1.2 RC1 (and not even Axis 1.2 final even > if we > > > > > forget that the current version is Axis 1.3) > > > > > - Is there any relation to workflow? > > > > > - Is there no opportunity for interaction with our Existing > > incubation > > > > > project Agila? > > > > > - Are there people from sybase who will be working? > > > > > - Geronimo is becoming an umbrella rapidly and now ServiceMix > wants > > to > > > > > be one too? > > > > > - Why are people talking as though the code is FINAL > > > > > (Quoting greg - "there is no need to develope a community > around > > this code") > > > > > (Quoting Rob - "If you've looked at the proposed donated code, > this > > > > > > > BPEL engine is complete, I can't see any sense in combining it > with > > > > > something else ?" ) > > > > > - Do *ANY* of the existing servicemix committers know this code > > inside out? > > > > > - If people are not going to touch this contrib code with a barge > > pole > > > > > then why should it be accepted? > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > dims > > > > > > > > > > On 2/2/06, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > We have received the generous donation of a complete and > working > > BPE > > > > > > engine to the ServiceMix project... > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/ > > > > > > 200602.mbox/% > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > %3e > > > > > > > > > > > > the contributor has offered to donate to Apache & complete the > > > > > > necessary software grants & IP clearance and to work with us on > > > > > > integrating it into ServiceMix. > > > > > > > > > > > > For those of you maybe not aware; ServiceMIx is an ESB project > > > > > > defined around JBI (JSR 208) the JCP standard API to > integration > > > > > > components along with being the standard container model for a > BPE. > > > > > > > > ServiceMix already has the JBI container and has a suite of JBI > > > > > > integration components already for smart routing, > transformation, > > > > > > rules, scripting, auditing etc... > > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/Components > > > > > > > > > > > > So it makes complete sense to add a BPE to that component > suite. > > Note > > > > > > that since ServiceMix already has integration components to > Apache > > > > > > Axis and Apache Tuscany, the integration of the BPE with > ServiceMix > > > > > > > > should benefit those projects too (with Apache Synapse possibly > too > > > > > > via the Axis integration - though we need to work on that one a > > bit). > > > > > > > > > > > > Also having a BPE fully integrated into Geronimo via the JBI > > > > > > container would mean that we could start to orchestrate pretty > much > > > > > > everything in the Geronimo stack! I'm certainly very excited by > > this > > > > > > move... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ] +1 accept the donation into the ServiceMix incubator > project > > > > > > [ ] 0 don't mind either way > > > > > > [ ] -1 I object because: ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's my +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
