Although many ASF members are represented in the incubator, it is not representative of the ASF because it is more coercive than the rest of the foundation. Some of the coercion is unavoidable, e.g. IP issues, some of it mildly irritating, e.g. forrest, and then there is the community requirement.
By insisting heavily on community building and rigid rules like 3+ committers, the ASF may be undermining the very thing it is trying to cultivate. Developers are drawn to the ASF in order to develop software in a friendly environment and to some extent to benefit from the ASF brand. If the friendly environment is diluted by coercion and excessive bureaucracy, developers may feel prisoner in something they don't understand. With his sense of liberty injured, the developer is left only with one advantage, the Apache brand. Apache may still be deemed an attractive proposal, but not as attractive as thought initially.
The point I am trying to make is that you can't make someone like ice cream. Most people love it but if you force it on them, they'll end up being repulsed by it.
At 04:29 PM 3/16/2005, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Apache is indeed an interesting place, although the incubator is not > necessarily representative of the whole.
What happens in the Incubator informs and seeds the next generation of ASF communities. This suggests to me that every active ASF Member, Officer and Director should be involved in the Incubator. As you may have noticed from the discussion on healthy communities, the latter group is strongly represented.
So I'd actually say that the Incubator is more representative of the whole, and is the place where discussion of normative behavior occurs, compared to separately evolved processes.
--- Noel
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