On 16.03.2005, at 18:39, Ceki Gülcü wrote:

...
By insisting  heavily on  community building and  rigid rules  like 3+
committers, the ASF may be undermining  the very thing it is trying to
cultivate.   Developers are  drawn  to  the ASF  in  order to  develop
software in a friendly environment  and to some extent to benefit from
the ASF brand.  If the friendly environment is diluted by coercion and
excessive bureaucracy, developers may  feel prisoner in something they
don't understand. With his sense  of liberty injured, the developer is
left only with  one advantage, the Apache brand.   Apache may still be
deemed  an  attractive proposal,  but  not  as  attractive as  thought
initially.
...

Please remember that we are *not* SourceForge where you can just open up an account and 'develop software in a friendly environment' without 'excessive bureaucracy' - we are the ASF and we have to care about our brand; if a project wants to be part of the ASF it has to bring more than only a pile of code!

developers may feel prisoner in something they don't understand

That's exactly one task of the incubator: to help the newcomers find their way into the foundation and to also ensure that they understand how the ASF works and lives ('The Apache Way'). I agree that one has to learn a lot new concepts and stuff but nobody ever said that it'd be easy :)

All in all I think that most of the already graduated projects show that this approach can work quite fine.

Cheers,
Erik

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