I also don't think it's really that much work on the behalf of a project
trying to enter Apache to do a little leg work in resolving that before
entering.
I didn't say they shouldn't try -- I said it wasn't necessary. As far as I am concerned, no existing project should be allowed to create autonomous subprojects. That means code which is not destined for an existing project needs a temporary home until such a time when the board feels it is ready to be autonomous. Hence, incubator was created to be a halfway house in addition to documenting the transition of IP.
Clearly there should be some interest within Apache for the code to be accepted. Either at the board level where things like Geronimo and Eve have been discussed where upon successful incubation the project moves to its designated TLP location. The other case being where some contact has been made with one of the TLPs to accept the code upon successful incubation.
It already requires participation of a member and a vote within the incubator PMC, which is supposed to consist of all of the Apache members who are interested in new project incubation. The board tries to avoid making technical decisions on behalf of the members.
I would propose those documents be changed to state that what is outlined above is a prerequisite for entry into the incubator.
-1. If the TLPs were supposed to be divisions of technology then Maven would not be a TLP. The only thing that distinguishes a TLP from a piece of code adrift in cyberspace is that there exists a set of people capable of governing themselves while collaborating on development of that code. Once that point is reached, the project should be released from whatever bounds it happens to be within.
Your suggestion would require the board to do what it has already assigned to the incubator, which the board specifically decided to delegate in order to get more members interested in the process.
....Roy
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