Sam Ruby wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
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One thing we have talked about is PPMC's. This makes a lot of sense for things proposed as new ASF projects. This makes considerably less sense for donations such as the ones that are coming into Maven. The PMC is already established. New committers may come online as a part of the donation, but that is standard operating procedure for PMCs. As is the role of infusing the culture into the new committers.
For donations intended for landing in other projects, such as Maven, that is the reason why the PPMC consists of that PMC, plus the committers, plus the Incubator PMC. When the project leaves the incubator, the Incubator PMC would leave the PPMC, leaving the PPMC in the hands of the other PMC. At that point, the PPMC could be left to operate as a PMC sub-committee or subsumed by the PMC. If this PPMC approach works, it could serve as a model for resolving some of the concerns about umbrella projects.
Lets try a few thought experiments.
1) Suppose somebody new contributes 1K lines of quality code a week to Maven over the course of a year... and is voted in as a comitter. Clearly a CLA is required, but does the a PPMC need to be created or does the incubator need to be involved?
Of course not, this is just adding new committers.
2) Suppose I write 50K lines of code and it lives on sourceforge for a year. Maven takes a liking to it and I contribute it (and in the process am made a committer). Clearly a software grant is required, but is a PPMC needed or does the incubator need to be involved?
If the code will go in Maven a PPMC is not needed.
If the code will go in a subproject of Maven with mostly existing committers, a PPMC is not needed.
If the code will create a new community based mostly on external contributors, a PPMC is needed.
In essence, a PPMC is needed for new communities made of new committers, not for new codebases per se. In this case it's evident that the Incubator is needed.
As for grants...
3) Mix scenarios 1&2. Somebody new to the ASF writes the code on sourceforge, wishes to donate it to an existing and vibrant community,(in Apache)
signs both a CLA and a code grant. PPMC? Incubator?
Here the point is only the code grant...
My presumption is that existing, healthy communities can be presumed to make incremental increases in the number of committers without requiring the incubator to be involved in instilling "The Apache Way" into those committers.
Sure, agreed.
But I *would* like the incubator to be involved with all code grants and with the formation of all new PMCs (by that I mean truly new, not merely ones formed by bifircation).
The only point here that still confuses me is about "all code grants" that are not tied to new PMCs-PPMCs. In this case, we don't have any policy up yet.
My first guess is that we should simply set up a page for code grants as we do for incubating projects, and a directory to store the grant stuff.
PMC chairs would simply track the status of the donation there.
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