Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Berin Lautenbach wrote:

I've put something slightly different into the IncubatorMussings document. I've said that the Incubator PMC *recommends* to the Sponsoring Entity (the receiving PMC) that something has completed, needs to continue or fails.


no, i don't think so.  the incubator is the sole arbiter of whether
the podling has met the criteria of being a viable asf entity.
if the original requesting project no longer wants it, that doesn't
mean the podling has failed in its test of asf-ness; it just means
the project doesn't want it any more.  and at that point, i think
it would be up to the podling to say what they'd like to do, and to
the other projects to say whether they would accept it.  if none do,
and the podling wants to sytay at asf, then i think it should go to
the board to consider creating a new tlp for it.

Yes I agree.


But...

I see two very distinct responsibilities coming out. One is the Incubator. It is the (almost) final arbiter (the board is the final) of whether or not something is ready to be part of the ASF. It makes no judgement whatsoever as to whether or not an end PMC should take on a particular code base.

The second responsibility rests with the entity that will "own" the code base. That entity has to be willing to take the code base on board. There will be one of two cases - it will be a sub-project of an existing TLP. That TLP then has to do whatever it needs to to take the code base on board. The Incubator cannot force that, so it needs to provide the recommendation to the TLP that the code base is ready to come on board.

In the other case, the project is to become a TLP. In that case, the Incubator again cannot force the issue. It can only place a recommendation to the board that the code base is ready. The board has to vote.

I firmly believe that a Sponsoring Entity can argue the recommendation at any point in time. We all report to yourself and the others on the board - if I think something is ready (against the advice of the Incubator) and have a good argument, then I *think* I can take that argument to the board for final arbitration. I would hope that that would never happen, but I think that's the way it should work.

Or have I got this up completely wrong? :>.

Cheers,
        Berin


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