How does anyone keep up with this flood of mail?
> 1. tapestry applied for entry to jakarta. there is a very > high barrier > which projects who wish to become part of jakarta have to pass. (if i > understand correctly) geronimo is a board level initiative which will > become a top level project. > > 2. tapestry lacked active support from apache members. Tapestry was "adopted" by Andrew and dIon (diOn? dioN? DIoN? Whatever?), sometime after I wrote the first proposal. AoC followed up my initial queries with a boilerplate proposal from POI. Made all the difference in the world. > > 3. tapestry was the first. The first, and perhaps last, under those rules. Tapestry's (ok, my) experience was not ideal. Incubator resources were scarce ... its like doing documentation, everyone knows its a good idea, but nobody has the time. > > FWIW i think that tapestry has become a stronger projects due to this > baptism of fire. i also think that it's unfortunately that > the incubation > took so much energy that could probably have been more > effectively spent > elsewhere. The move to Jakarta motivated a number of the other developers; People may still think of Tapestry has "Howard's project", but the meritocracy project really works; the other developer's stake in Tapestry has increased because. > > i do agree that the incubation process needs to be improved > and documented. > i also feel that it's important that all incubatees follow the same > process (even though for some products this may just be a formality). Geronimo is following its own path; perhaps the board believes the J2EE stack merely has to be assembled from existing pieces (Tomcat, Avalon, etc.). Perhaps. I don't believe that such wide-scale efforts can start in the Bazaar; maybe I'm wrong; I'd prefer folks took their time to set a real direction for the project, then retired to their corners to get things started down the right path; seems like what they are attempting is chaotic. This whole Elba thing, with LGPL code "temporarily" being used, seems to be a kind of favoritism towards Geronimo not available to other Apache projects, which must excise all connections to LGPL (and GPL) code. -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
