On Dec 17, 2007, Diego Novillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/17/07 12:51, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> I guess I'm to blame, for having naïvely put the code out without as >> much as a design and goals document
> Yes, you are. Wow, thanks. At least we agree on something! ;-) > You need to provide such a document now. Can't I instead provide it when it's ready? You know, it wasn't me who asked to have the thing developed in the open. I didn't push it out just so that people who didn't want to understand it could beat on it before it was ready to defend itself. I put it out because there was an offer for contribution. > I can't see how you'll be able to incorporate your implementation > without a convincing design. Agreed, I don't see how this would be doable for any but the most trivial patches. > The barrier is probably going to be higher. > You raised too much controversy, so I have my doubts about your > simplicity claims. Oh, nice! *I* raised too much controversy. So people first ask me to put the code out such that they can peek at it and help, then most refrain from peeking at it because it's not ready and some who do raise some concerns that are not reflected by the code, and then everyone doubts I've taken those concerns into account and demand a design document that will no more than just repeat the information that's already out there but that people fail to take into account. And then, this is a technical discussion, so historical controversy shouldn't play any role in it, if people were rational about it. Now, can you please explain to me how the efforts of repeating myself one more time, rather than completing the implementation, are going to make it any more likely that people who have already made up their minds based on groundless fears will be convinced? If you really think it would be worth it, can you point out at what you feel to be missing in the consolidated documentation I posted upthread, in response to your request? I'd be happy to fill in the blanks, if you're willing to listen. But I wouldn't be happy to waste more time. (This is not to say that the document won't ever be produced; it's to say that I'm to work on it right now. I have other deliverables ahead of it.) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ FSF Latin America Board Member http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org}
