On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 10:06 AM Hongtao Liu <crazy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 8:45 PM Richard Biener via Gcc-patches > <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 10:15 AM Jiang, Haochen via Gcc-patches > > <gcc-patches@gcc.gnu.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jakub, > > > > > > > So, what does this imply for the current ISAs? > > > > > > AVX10 will imply AVX2 on the ISA level. And we suppose AVX10 is an > > > independent ISA feature set. Although sharing the same instructions and > > > encodings, AVX10 and AVX512 are conceptual independent features, which > > > means they are orthogonal. > > > > > > > The expectations in lots of config/i386/* is that -mavx512f / > > > > TARGET_AVX512F > > > > means 512 bit vector support is available and most of the various > > > > -mavx512XXX > > > > options imply -mavx512f (and -mno-avx512f turns those off). And if > > > > -mavx512vl / TARGET_AVX512VL isn't available, tons of places just use > > > > 512-bit EVEX instructions for 256-bit or 128-bit stuff (mostly to be > > > > able to > > > > access [xy]mm16+). > > > > > > For AVX10, the 128/256/scalar version of the instructions are always > > > there, and > > > also for [xy]mm16+. 512 version is "optional", which needs user to > > > indicate them > > > in options. When 512 version is enabled, 128/256/scalar version is also > > > enabled, > > > which is kind of reverse relation between the current AVX512F/AVX512VL. > > > > > > Since we take AVX10 and AVX512 are orthogonal, we will add OR logic for > > > the current > > > pattern, which is shown in our AVX512DQ+VL sample patches. > > > > Hmm, so it sounds like AVX10 is currently, at the 10.1 level, a way to > > specify > > AVX512F and AVX512VL "differently", so wouldn't it make sense to make it > In the future there're plantfomrs only support AVX10.x-256, but not > AVX512 stuffs, it doesn't make much sense on that platfrom to disable > part of AVX512. > We really want to make AVX10.x a indivisible features, just like other > individual CPUID. > > complement those only so one can use, say, -mavx10 -mno-avx512bf16 to > > disable > > parts of the former AVX512 ISA one doesn't like to get code generated for? > > -mavx10 would then enable all the existing sub-AVX512 ISAs? > Another alternative solution is is split AVX512 into AVX512-256 and AVX512-512, like AVX512F-256, AVX512FP16-256, AVX512FP16-512, AVX512FP16-512, and make AVX10.1-256 implies those AVX512-256, AVX10.1-512 implies AVX512-512. > > > > > > Sure, I expect all AVX10.N CPUs will have AVX512VL CPUID, will they have > > > > AVX512F CPUID even when the 512-bit vectors aren't present? What > > > > happens if > > > > one mixes the -mavx10* options together with -mno-avx512vl or similar > > > > options? Will -mno-avx512f still imply -mno-avx512vl etc.? > > > > > > For the CPUID part, AVX10 and AVX512 have different emulation. Only Xeon > > > Server > > > will have AVX512 related CPUIDs for backward compatibility. For GNR, it > > > will be > > > AVX512F, AVX512VL, AVX512CD, AVX512BW, AVX512DQ, AVX512_IFMA, AVX512_VBMI, > > > AVX512_VNNI, AVX512_BF16, AVX512_BITALG, AVX512_VPOPCNTDQ, AV512_VBMI2, > > > AVX512_FP16. Also, it will have AVX10 CPUIDs with 512 bit support set. > > > Atom Server and > > > client will only have AVX10 CPUIDs with 256 bit support set. > > > > > > -mno-avx512f will still imply -mno-avx512vl. > > > > > > As we mentioned below, we don't recommend users to combine the AVX10 and > > > legacy > > > AVX512 options. We understand that there will be different opinions on > > > what should > > > compiler behave on some controversial option combinations. > > > > > > If there is someone mixes the options, the golden rule is that we are > > > using OR logic. > > > Therefore, enabling either feature will turn on the shared instructions, > > > no matter the other > > > feature is not mentioned or closed. That is why we are emitting warning > > > for some scenarios, > > > which is also mentioned in the letter. > > > > I'm refraining from commenting on the senslesness of AVX10 as you're > > likely on the same > > receiving side as us. > > > > Thanks, > > Richard. > > > > > Thx, > > > Haochen > > > > > > > > > > > Jakub > > > > > > > -- > BR, > Hongtao
-- BR, Hongtao
