On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 09:30:14PM +0200, hw wrote: > Dominik Vogt <dominik.v...@gmx.de> writes: > > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:58:51PM +0200, hw wrote: > >> Stefan Blachmann <sblachm...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > I was annoyed and looked into that. > >> > session[re]store.js is a *horrible* mess of code, and to understand > >> > its workings, I just disabled the screen bounds check where > >> > sessionrestore creates the windows from the data in the > >> > sessionrestore.js file and wrote a script that just corrects the > >> > coordinates in the sessionrestore.js file, so that Firefox restores as > >> > it should. > >> > So I could just run the firepox script, after that run FF, it should > >> > restore the windows where they originally were. > >> > > >> > The script might be outdated for new FF versions, as the > >> > sessionrestore code was changed again in the meantime, introducing > >> > again random placement of restored windows. > >> > But reading it might give you some insight of the workings in the > >> > sessionrestore.js files. > >> > > >> > It is on github together with a small intro, here: > >> > https://github.com/kernschmelze/firepox > >> > >> Thanks! I think it must not be possible at all for a program that > >> creates windows to override the very window manager that manages the > >> windows. > > > > It actually is possible. Sort of. If the application claims that > > a requested position is "user specified" instead of "program > > specified", the window manager has no way of knowing that the user > > did not ask for it. Nowadays many programs abuse this hint to > > override the window manager - in clear violation of the > > communication rules set in the ICCCM2 standard. > > That's not overriding the window manager, it's overriding what the user > wants. > > IIUC, I explicitly told the window manager to ignore what the program > tries to do about the placement of the windows it creates, and yet the > window manager still allows the program to do (part of) what it wants > rather than what I told the window manager to do about the window > placement. > > So either the window manager is ignoring what I'm telling it to do, or > the program is able to override the window manager, or both.
That's exactly what I wrote. The window manager cannot know that the application lies about the user's wish. The situation is impossible to detect. > Either way, what I??m telling the computer to do is being overridden, and > that is not acceptable. Yeah. These applications are annyoing me as much as they are annoying you. Ciao Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt
