I was talking last week with a friend who has retired from a long career with the FBI. We were discussing how all these different forces have been dispatched to D.C., and essentially none of them are trained in crowd control. He, like me, suspects it's only a matter of time before another Kent State happens. Cops in major cities usually have squads trained in crowd control with appropriate equipment. Smaller cities do not. And you couple that with 19-year-old kids, many of whom have little familiarity with guns of any kind, and bad things are bound to happen. I have not been able to find out if cops in Albuquerque or even the State Police have appropriate training. I doubt the same thing about our National Guard, although that training might be coming. Tom
On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 3:34 PM Stephen Guerin <[email protected]> wrote: > On deploying the National Guard: > > My first memories in Aurora Ohio was all the "army trucks" running up and > down our street - We were 11 miles just north of Kent State. I was 2 yrs 2 > mos old on that day and the nightly news was filled with the for the next > two years, vietnam always in the background and then watergate/nixon > resigning which i have clear memories around the TV.. My uncle and aunt > lived with us as they were still in highschool as my grandparents died in > separate accidents and my dad who was 20 years their senior was raising > them. I hung out with my uncle and aunt and their "hippie" friends at the > lake behind the house (more like being babysat). Only later could > disentangle the events. To me they were one big mush of young adults with > anger, fear, disappointment and complete distrust in the reasons we use our > "army men" and all the lies. And the older people arguing with the younger > people on the news and in my neighborhood. > > Crazy that that same uncle that was 17 on the day of Kent State and > waiting for his lottery number with his friends is now one of the most > vocal Maga supporters in my family at the age of 78. > > And that deployment of the National Guard was with the request of the > governor. We're beyond that in California and DC now. My worry is > competence of the admin or its lac but the willingness and support of a > huge block of Americans - and not just the crazies. 85% of my family > support the general actions. > > > -Stephen > > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 12:39 PM Edward Angel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I lived inside the riot zone during the first LA riot in 1965. A >> 19-year-old national guardsman lived in our apartment building. During the >> curfew, he was forced to shoot a rioter who tried to break through the >> national guard barriers. It’s something he never got over. He was also a >> victim. >> >> Ed >> _______________________ >> >> Ed Angel >> >> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory >> (ARTS Lab) >> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico >> >> 1017 Sierra Pinon >> Santa Fe, NM 87501 >> 505-984-0136 (home) [email protected] >> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel >> >> On Aug 25, 2025, at 12:05 PM, Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> On 8/25/25 12:42 pm, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> >> A friend of mine in DC describes it as cosplay. Thank goodness they are >> so incompetent. >> >> ironic that this was almost precisely my observation during the Jan 6 >> insurrection... and got a brush-back. >> >> I've a friend who was a National Guardsman at Kent State... he wasn't >> present for the shooting but was there for the operation and remembers >> acutely how bizarre it was to have one line of 18 year olds pitted against >> another. His side had live ammo, the other side had daisies to put in the >> gun barrels ( not a Kent State 1970 moment, but of the era 1967 and spirit). >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_Power_(photograph) >> >> A good reminder that even incompetent Cosplay can get out of hand? >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings >> >> >> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / >> ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> >> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / >> ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / > ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tom Johnson - [email protected] +1 505 577 6482 Santa Fe, New Mexico USA *New Mexico Writers <https://nmwriters.org/>*++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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