I’m wonder what people hope will happen. I don’t see that inequality in Pacifica or anywhere is going to go down from Trump. The reverse seems much more likely. Sure, neoliberalism will likely collapse as a viable national political force, but nothing better I can see could take its place.
For example, in Oakland, the DA and mayor who were elected under an equity banner were just recalled for law-and-order concerns. I expect more back-and-forth like this that break along racial lines. So-called liberals vote for equity until they see glass on the ground outside their house. Yeah, it is a country full of babies. I only hope there’s an AGI breakthrough and the good parts of this species can be scribbled away on some tertiary storage system. Marcus From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com> Date: Sunday, November 10, 2024 at 3:05 PM To: friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die California is 5th largest economy but including the "rest" of Pacifica (OR, WA, BC) it ranks 4th just behind Germany. What would an informal but powerful union of North Pacific rim "states" (Panama to BC), the bulk of Canada, and the northeast Atlantic Seaboard and (eventually?) the upper midwest (MN, WI, MI ...) look like economically, controlling Pacific trade, etc. ? JP/Korea, the UK, the EU would all be obvious good trade/defense allies, no matter what "Gilead" chose to do? As for Musk, I predict Space Force will be spun up with an unprecedented accelerated "Colonize Mars" agenda. Maybe Bezos will be allowed to play an O'Neill Colony fantasy out to complement this... do we leave the Moon to Saudi Arabia, japan and China? Remember how fast we went from Vanguard to Moon Landing in the 60s? The mission is much bigger but the resources and sophistication of the supporting systems are also (multiplicatively, geometrically, exponentially,??? ) greater? And Zuckerberg will provide the Fentanyl of the Masses with VR rigs and virtual worlds to live out the full spectrum of fantasies? On 11/9/24 10:15 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I’ve already identified some things that could come from a Trump administration. 1. It will stimulate New York, New England and the west coast and other states to create further civil rights protections from the federal government. Health maintenance arrangements may be further secured by the states. When Social Security and Medicare fail, these states will be better prepared. The result of all this is that smart people in backward states will leave those states and take residence in states where they are valued. Money will be kept in progressive states and not wasted on an ignorant, self-destructive collective. 2. It will motivate these states to reach out to other countries to negotiate special relationships on trade and climate. California, being the 5th largest economy in the world, can bypass the federal government in making deals. This will limit the power of the federal government. 3. Elon Musk’s interests may keep progress going on electrification. Yes, the U.S. may indeed use Ukraine to secure access to the country’s natural resources. 4. Elon Musk’s interests in space colonization may force the Republican party to adopt some more forward-looking projects that will employ angry young men and mitigate their despair. The problem with stretching out the war in Ukraine is that they will run out of manpower. Otherwise, it is arguably a good thing for the U.S. to keep Russian losses high and to undermine their economy. That’s how to break an authoritarian regime. Unfortunately, now we will have to first have to break our own. From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Pieter Steenekamp <piet...@randcontrols.co.za> <mailto:piet...@randcontrols.co.za> Date: Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 8:07 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> <mailto:friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die I think many of you dislike Trump so much that it’s hard to see he might actually do some good for the US and the world. Let me share my thinking. I see Trump a bit like King Leopold II of Belgium. King Leopold did horrible things in the Congo, but he did a lot of good for his own country. Back then, people in Belgium didn’t know the terrible stuff happening in Africa because news travelled differently. Now, don’t get me wrong—Trump’s a flawed person, and I think we can agree on that. But, in his first term, he actually achieved some good things for the US and globally. For example, his administration was successful in the Middle East. If you’re interested in a deeper look, Lex Fridman’s interview with Jared Kushner offers some insights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co_MeKSnyAo <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co_MeKSnyAo>). It's fair to say that Biden’s administration didn’t build on Trump’s progress there - in fact they messed up seriously. If we keep an open mind, it’s possible to see that Biden’s approach in Ukraine will stretch out the war and cost US taxpayers more over many years and the citizens of Ukraine will be the big losers. Given Trump’s previous success in the Middle East, it’s not crazy to think he could find a faster way to help end the war in Ukraine without a mess, like what happened with Biden’s exit from Afghanistan. Sure, Trump’s not a saint. But he’s not looking to go down as a failure either—he wants to be remembered as a winner. On Sat, 9 Nov 2024 at 16:43, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Trump’s reads the room. If he feels his people would tolerate Russia using chemical weapons at a massive scale in Ukraine, then he’d be fine with that. Remember he was fine separating immigrant children from their parents. This property may well cause some deals to be made because they are afraid of the consequences. That’s not a skill in negotiation, that’s just the kind of terror that an organized crime boss might elicit. The U.S. doesn’t have a boundless number of Tomahawk missiles to give Ukraine, even if we authorized firing into Russia. They run a couple million U.S. dollars each. We aren’t even keeping up with Russia’s artillery manufacturing. Putin knows all this. For better or worse, Biden doesn’t want a war. From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <_blank>> on behalf of Pieter Steenekamp <piet...@randcontrols.co.za <_blank>> Date: Friday, November 8, 2024 at 11:49 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <_blank>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die Trump's the kind of guy you should take seriously, not literally. When he says something big like, “I’ll end the war in Ukraine on day one,” he means he's dead set on making peace happen there. Anyone with half a brain knows he can’t actually snap his fingers and stop the war on his first day. That’s up to Russia and Ukraine to figure out, after all. But does Trump have a unique knack for pushing people toward a deal? Oh, you bet he does. In fact, William Spaniel, a professor over at the University of Pittsburgh, mentioned in a podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKH-QeRJBU8 <_blank> that Putin seems to believe Trump will lay down a deal that both sides can live with. (And yeah, Spaniel seems to know his stuff.) So, here’s my hunch on what Trump might say to Ukraine and Russia, in my own words: “Alright, fellas, here’s the deal. Ukraine, let’s be real—Russia needs to keep a little slice of land to save face. It might sting, but if you don’t settle, Russia’s going to drag this war out and make it miserable for everyone. And Russia, let’s stop the drama now. You can keep a few bits, but if you keep pushing, we’re going to load up Ukraine with so many weapons it’ll make your head spin. Then, you’re gonna lose big time, and Ukraine will take back everything. But hey, it’s up to you, sweethearts!” On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 at 07:04, steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com <_blank>> wrote: Marcuswrote: Seems like a lot of people will try to leave Africa because of climate change. I suppose they’ll end up in Europe, creating yet more folks like Trump to rile people up about it. Until the AMOC turns over and plunges Northern Europe into the kind of winter cold Maine-Nova Scotia currently "enjoy"? there was some B post-apocalypse movie starring a polar vortex which ended with all of Canada/US lined up at the MX border asking to be let in to avoid turning into popsicles... of course, the style of the movie had the sweet long-suffering people in the land of Manana politely inviting all the Karen's and Matt Gaetz's into their (now overwhelmed? country)... .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. 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