Trump’s reads the room. If he feels his people would tolerate Russia using 
chemical weapons at a massive scale in Ukraine, then he’d be fine with that. 
Remember he was fine separating immigrant children from their parents. This 
property may well cause some deals to be made because they are afraid of the 
consequences. That’s not a skill in negotiation, that’s just the kind of terror 
that an organized crime boss might elicit. 

The U.S. doesn’t have a boundless number of Tomahawk missiles to give Ukraine, 
even if we authorized firing into Russia. They run a couple million U.S. 
dollars each. We aren’t even keeping up with Russia’s artillery manufacturing. 
Putin knows all this. For better or worse, Biden doesn’t want a war. 

From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Pieter Steenekamp 
<piet...@randcontrols.co.za>
Date: Friday, November 8, 2024 at 11:49 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die 

Trump's the kind of guy you should take seriously, not literally. When he says 
something big like, “I’ll end the war in Ukraine on day one,” he means he's 
dead set on making peace happen there. Anyone with half a brain knows he can’t 
actually snap his fingers and stop the war on his first day. That’s up to 
Russia and Ukraine to figure out, after all. But does Trump have a unique knack 
for pushing people toward a deal? Oh, you bet he does.

In fact, William Spaniel, a professor over at the University of Pittsburgh, 
mentioned in a podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKH-QeRJBU8 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKH-QeRJBU8> that Putin seems to believe Trump 
will lay down a deal that both sides can live with. (And yeah, Spaniel seems to 
know his stuff.)

So, here’s my hunch on what Trump might say to Ukraine and Russia, in my own 
words: “Alright, fellas, here’s the deal. Ukraine, let’s be real—Russia needs 
to keep a little slice of land to save face. It might sting, but if you don’t 
settle, Russia’s going to drag this war out and make it miserable for everyone. 
And Russia, let’s stop the drama now. You can keep a few bits, but if you keep 
pushing, we’re going to load up Ukraine with so many weapons it’ll make your 
head spin. Then, you’re gonna lose big time, and Ukraine will take back 
everything. But hey, it’s up to you, sweethearts!” 


On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 at 07:04, steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com 
<mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: 


Marcuswrote: 

Seems like a lot of people will try to leave Africa because of climate change. 
I suppose they’ll end up in Europe, creating yet more folks like Trump to rile 
people up about it. 

Until the AMOC turns over and plunges Northern Europe into the kind of winter 
cold Maine-Nova Scotia currently "enjoy"? 
there was some B post-apocalypse movie starring a polar vortex which ended with 
all of Canada/US lined up at the MX border asking to be let in to avoid turning 
into popsicles... of course, the style of the movie had the sweet 
long-suffering people in the land of Manana politely inviting all the Karen's 
and Matt Gaetz's into their (now overwhelmed? country)... 


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