I don't see how PTSD protects people from starvation or death from 35 degC wet-bulb temperatures. It seems more likely to me they'll die.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:59 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege Well of course with enough capital ... enough of a heavy rain or intense heat bath, you can jump canals. But even Elno faced the canals after buying Twitter. "They", millionaires and billionaires, may not need to be slave to a map. But everyone else does, including the AIs. On 5/31/23 08:52, Marcus Daniels wrote: > To me it just seems like high temperature. An Elizabeth Holmes or her more > numerous male psychopath counterparts can turn up the temperature. They > don't need to be slave to map, but they can use one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 7:54 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege > > Ferality (?) helps because it resists or mitigates canalization. The built > environment canalizes behavior such that even if there *might have been* some > other way to be, imagined in the fever dreams of a psychonaut, nobody can > actually be that way because the built environment constrains the organism > too much. Ideally, ferality is a kind of open computation ... an > initialization strategy akin to randomizing the "weights" ... something like > annealing, I guess. > > I can imagine a compromise where we allocate some to a (multiple?) feral > initialization and others to a (multiple?) semi-structure(s) and sitll others > to a (multiple?) very structured game(s). I haven't been keeping up, but it > still seems like an open question whether ferality has higher degrees of > freedom than the scaffolding provided by structure. > > On 5/31/23 07:44, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> To independently navigate the post AI world will require people that aren't >> fooled by fake media and are confident in their reasonably-useful models of >> the world? How does being feral help? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen >> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 7:13 AM >> To: friam@redfish.com >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege >> >> Yeah, that was a great show. I suppose I can see "mostly independent" humans >> at around 10 years ... maybe even down to 5, I guess. But 2? That seems >> extreme. Of course, I'm ignorant of the anthropology. Maybe 2 year olds used >> to be much more coordinated, perhaps taller, with a better developed cortex? >> I thought there was a spike in pruning circa 4 years? I suppose, just like >> height and other features, that pruning spike might move around depending on >> environmental pressure. >> >> On 5/31/23 06:38, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> There's also "Hanna" (2011) and the series that followed. >>> >>>> On May 31, 2023, at 6:24 AM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> What?!? The idea of a gaggle of toddlers running around hunting >>>> and cooking, say, boar for supper is astounding. Even Children of >>>> the Corn were older than 2. 8^D >>>> >>>>> On 5/31/23 06:19, Prof David West wrote: >>>>> "the extended juvenile development of humans," is an artifact of modern >>>>> industrial society. For "de-domesticated humans" development to, mostly, >>>>> independent existence was only marginally longer than that of other large >>>>> mammals. Roughly two years for humans, 18 months for elephants and bears >>>>> and large cats,12 months for a host of other species. >>>>> davew >>>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2023, at 5:34 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: >>>>>> Eric's musing on the character of the saving remnant reminded me of >>>>>> Ötzi, the Tyrolean ice mummy, as portrayed in >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceman_(2017_film) >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceman_(2017_film)>. >>>>>> >>>>>> Some commentators note the western movie tropes, but when Ötzi gears up >>>>>> to chase down the pillagers of his family settlement, he also straps on >>>>>> the infant who was the sole survivor of the pillaging. Of course he >>>>>> drops the kid off with the first available woman he meets. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shades of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Wolf_and_Cub >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Wolf_and_Cub>, the samurai with a >>>>>> baby carriage. But as I remember, the cub became part of the lone >>>>>> wolf's arsenal. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, when you posit a de-domesticated human, what happens to the extended >>>>>> juvenile development of humans? Babies and toddlers are going to remain >>>>>> domestic concerns no matter how much bourgeois mediocrity you eject from >>>>>> your morality, no? And I guess burnt out philosophers with mental >>>>>> health issues will be domestic issues, too, even if they were once >>>>>> supermen? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- rec -- >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 10:04 AM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com >>>>>>> <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "What do I think the saving remnant will be? I imagine people who >>>>>> lost all the epigenetic marks associated with domestication, and took on >>>>>> hormone profiles more like chimps. Or “born this way” to PTSD." >>>>>> >>>>>> In stories like Elysium, the saving remnant survives. Why doesn't >>>>>> popular science fiction consider the future in which only Elysium >>>>>> endures? We have lots of experience on earth making sure that >>>>>> communities are partitioned by socioeconomic status. All of the >>>>>> saving remnants I see around here are homeless or hovering near death >>>>>> due to use of heroin and fentanyl. The deer, however, happily munch on >>>>>> my front yard plants. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film) >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com >>>>>> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On Behalf Of glen >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 7:27 AM >>>>>> To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege >>>>>> >>>>>> "Somehow not the domain of peace and spirituality that I think >>>>>> first-worlders like to project onto first-nationers, and which might >>>>>> even be true for the first-nationers, since they are also from a milder >>>>>> time by a lot than a large extinction." >>>>>> >>>>>> IDK, man. Are wild animals different from us in any significant >>>>>> way? Are they actually never lazy, never unvigilant, etc? Or, perhaps, >>>>>> is the attribution of vigilance (and hence never unvigilance) an >>>>>> illusion born of othering? A standard whipping post for me is this "Are >>>>>> you a cat person or a dog person" cocktail party ice breaker. Admitting >>>>>> the false dichotomy, dog people tend to think of cats as non-social, >>>>>> selfish, blahblah. Cat people tend to think of dogs as slobbery, vapid, >>>>>> etc. It's complete nonsense born of arbitrary delusions. >>>>>> >>>>>> But of course, there is something to be said of the built >>>>>> environment. It would be difficult for a human reared in a city to >>>>>> navigate the Mongolian desert. But is that difference any greater than >>>>>> plopping a city dweller 13,000 years in the past? Are office or >>>>>> political games significantly different from the "games" wild babies >>>>>> play under the vigilant eye of their den mother? Yeah, I know. I'm >>>>>> putting too much weight on "significant". Obviously, everything's >>>>>> different from everything else. (I regret not being able to engage more >>>>>> with Jon's exploration of Deleuze.) But my conservatism tells me that >>>>>> objective othering would rely solely on coherent traits, fingers vs. >>>>>> claws, hair vs. fur, cortex or no cortex. A human now would be >>>>>> insignificantly different from a human then. If the apocalypse doesn't >>>>>> transform us into something other than human, whatever is rebuilt will >>>>>> be strikingly similar to what we have now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/28/23 11:29, David Eric Smith wrote: >>>>>> > I’m not sure elitist, Steve, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > That’s one bad habit that I don’t think they have. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > More along the line, I suspect, of “out of ordinary people who >>>>>> mostly get mowed down, here and there will be some pockets that started >>>>>> to pay attention and got lucky enough to have time to make a culture of >>>>>> it, of sorts” >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Wes Jackson likes the term “saving remnant”. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I happen to be in Sweden just now, and it has me thinking about >>>>>> sci-fi futures, ad also Nietzsche’s “last man” etc. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Also on this theme is the very interesting SFI lecture “living >>>>>> with distrust”, which signals things I have seen (Ernst Fehr?) and >>>>>> others say about the Ache and Machiguenga and other groups. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Take any wild animal, and contemplate just how _different_ they >>>>>> are from us. Never lazy. Never un-vigilant. Or read Jonathan Shay’s >>>>>> Achilles in Vietnam. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Suppose all the people who remain have survived only because >>>>>> they are that. Unwind not only the past 70 years of developed-world >>>>>> tranquility, but the history of human domestication since at least the >>>>>> younger dryas. Maybe a lot longer ago than that. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > What is it like to have your Time Machine and go spend a weekend >>>>>> with those guys in their home? Jared Diamond would be jealous. Somehow >>>>>> not the domain of peace and spirituality that I think first-worlders >>>>>> like to project onto first-nationers, and which might even be true for >>>>>> the first-nationers, since they are also from a milder time by a lot >>>>>> than a large extinction. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wish I had the imagination to be interesting. It would be >>>>>> invigorating to read someone who could really imagine a different world, >>>>>> and a different us, and take you there in some convincing way. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Eric >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On May 28, 2023, at 6:55 PM, Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com >>>>>> <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Eric - >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Thanks for passing this link around here. I suspect most here >>>>>> have the background to appreciate/parse this < insert Steve Martin's >>>>>> "hear me now and believe me later" SNL skit> but maybe not an >>>>>> "affordance to know" the more acute implications of it. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> One of the things I find (most) interesting in the RGND >>>>>> rhetoric is >>>>>> >> their (appropriate) invocation of Complex Systems ideas as well >>>>>> as >>>>>> >> the convergence of human consciousness (mostly from a >>>>>> neuroscience >>>>>> >> perspective) and the complex systems which are the >>>>>> >> techno-social-economic systems that are our energo-materio >>>>>> culture >>>>>> >> which is the engine that is spinning the earth-systems out of >>>>>> the >>>>>> >> orbits they were in pre-anthropocene (150 or 15000 years?) >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I may be reading them wrong, but this feels like "yet another" >>>>>> elitist trope, this time on (nanotech?) steroids: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> /In short, we think it’s probable that MTI civilization will >>>>>> >> collapse catastrophically but that pockets of people with a >>>>>> rising >>>>>> >> level of consciousness and awareness of our eco-predicament will >>>>>> >> survive and act as the seeders of a new world./// >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I particularly appreciated your pithy observation: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> /But here, we can maybe somehow combine the capitalists and >>>>>> the >>>>>> >> GNDers. The concentration in the rate and provision of >>>>>> services, and >>>>>> >> of the ownership of the proceeds by whoever the rulers turn out >>>>>> to >>>>>> >> be, leaves the rest of us free to die off in peace, and not >>>>>> carry on >>>>>> >> the guilt of being ecological criminals. It’s a win-win./ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> / >>>>>> >> / >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Thanks to Sabine (as Cassandra) and Eric and Marcus for raising >>>>>> this to my attention... queing it up to provide background for my read >>>>>> lead me to her Collective Stupidity episode >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25kqobiv4ng >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25kqobiv4ng>>. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I am left wondering if/how LLMs reflect/relate to >>>>>> Wisdom/Stupidity of Crowds? Seems like LLMs are literally the >>>>>> encapsulation of collective knowledge. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Sabine's invocation of "Information Cascades" was interesting >>>>>> in contrast with entrainment and canalization. Will LLMs in some way >>>>>> help us avoid these short-circuits/shunts? Or aggravate them? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> - Steve >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 5/28/23 2:46 AM, David Eric Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>> This comment leads to an interesting angle that I haven’t >>>>>> heard. >>>>>> >>> Bill Rees, whom you can find here: >>>>>> >>> <d8f080_78c1ab7b00b045ff9bbc01a273b00173~mv2.jpg> >>>>>> >>> Home | The REAL Green New Deal Project >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.realgnd.org >>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.realgnd.org> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> %2f&c=E,1,s4xLfGynLIjkrUt9NbN7gTjzG9OOoaJe64vBX3p4819H6jFz9AJSSe-qv9 >>>>>> >>> yDN4qwXF8gSayAREexT0axFnHBthp_EmNYm91Bl5Edsist24GG&typo=1> >>>>>> >>> realgnd.org <http://realgnd.org> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.realgnd.org >>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.realgnd.org> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> %2f&c=E,1,mLU-zLi9KLRqdV1LCSsLf4xAqRPWhhLSvzK0ajNxs-Bl31f_tDo3AuTO8F >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> ftJArhBwcEpVAtKd58f8Nn8HWN8QWG-poN1K4CsHllfzctVyYuePFkCMo,&typo=1> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.realgnd.org >>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.realgnd.org> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> %2f&c=E,1,ui2uypSQ13uMOEz7hzM4YulUakJ2dduLZEW4fMauG5gh85fLSDmPC9mu3s >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> aCYT5TA1zSp3f4E7hrdi7Iu-Yxbt88L44PzeI9TxTtDQBN6mNsS-h87nJxhCE,&typo= >>>>>> >>> 1> writes numerous papers about how 90% of us need to die, or >>>>>> that >>>>>> >>> this is just what will happen whether we articulate such a >>>>>> need or not. I won’t go so far as to say that Rees “wants” 90% of us to >>>>>> die (see the smiling grandfatherly bearded ecologist photo in the >>>>>> pages), but after a long life of writing Jeremiads and not seeing the >>>>>> world change its ways, he seems so defeated by frustration that I read >>>>>> in him a deep and now constitutive misanthropy. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> (btw: the Real GND website is best read while listening to >>>>>> Sabine >>>>>> >>> Hossenfelder’s song My Name is Cassandra, Prophet of the Dark. >>>>>> >>> Thanks Marcus for making me aware of her oeuvre, I had never >>>>>> noticed >>>>>> >>> it.) >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Usually, the problem with the bait-and-switch of new >>>>>> technologies is “look, it will save so much labor we will all have >>>>>> leisure to be creative while still having comfortable levels of >>>>>> consumption”, when what actually happens is classic Marx: the few who >>>>>> can enclose the new services, either because they are exclusive or just >>>>>> through market-gravitational effects, now own an even larger sector of >>>>>> all income, and the expanding remnant is made increasingly desperate. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> But here, we can maybe somehow combine the capitalists and the >>>>>> GNDers. The concentration in the rate and provision of services, and of >>>>>> the ownership of the proceeds by whoever the rulers turn out to be, >>>>>> leaves the rest of us free to die off in peace, and not carry on the >>>>>> guilt of being ecological criminals. It’s a win-win. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I worry that that story is probably incomplete, and maybe >>>>>> thereby wrong. The concentrating advantage of advanced autocomplete >>>>>> services might only be a transient while our current stock of primary >>>>>> knowledge is “enough” and “not fully mined”. Maybe all the inefficient >>>>>> activity of ordinary people is somehow a diffuse source that actually >>>>>> expands the primary base. Certainly my impression of ecological >>>>>> organizations is that, below any small population of charismatic >>>>>> megafauna, there is a whole pyramid that goes down to an astonishing >>>>>> number of nitrogen-fixer bacteria. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> But I don’t know, what organizations are necessary by >>>>>> physical, mathematical, and biological laws, and which might be possible >>>>>> that we just haven’t ever seen before. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Eric >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> On May 28, 2023, at 7:27 AM, Marcus Daniels >>>>>> <mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Looking at the recent rapid release of open source LLM >>>>>> systems like Falcon and Mosaic ML, Llama, etc. there is more going-on >>>>>> than titans like Microsoft, and Google battling it out with giant closed >>>>>> systems. These are human know-how crystalized into open-source >>>>>> deliverables. Why not share knowledge representations in this way? >>>>>> Consider the cost and time that goes into medical or legal training. >>>>>> Sure the energy requirements of digital systems are high, but so are the >>>>>> energy expenditures of a planet full of humans. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>> *From:*Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com >>>>>> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf of Steve Smith >>>>>> >>>> <sasm...@swcp.com <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> *Sent:*Friday, >>>>>> May 26, 2023 2:06 PM >>>>>> >>>> *To:*friam@redfish.com >>>>>> <mailto:friam@redfish.com><friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> >>>>>> >>>> *Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] crackpots and privilege >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> My grandsons' girlfriends (twenty-somethings) say that they >>>>>> think babies are disgusting. I hope they change their minds. In any >>>>>> case, what does a shortage of babies have to do with AI? >>>>>> >>>> Babies *are* (can be) disgusting, but same for puppies, >>>>>> kitties, and garden-soil from the right (wrong) perspective! >>>>>> >>>> Maybe the point is "nobody left for the AI overlords to lord >>>>>> over" ? >>>>>> >>>> I think the key is "existential threat"... I didn't look >>>>>> for Schmidt's statement anywhere, so I'm just speculating that maybe >>>>>> he's doing a mild echo of Musk's idea that a collapsing (first) world >>>>>> population is somehow a *bigger* existential threat? >>>>>> >>>> With my techhead hat on I am inclined to imagine that AI will >>>>>> help me (well, not ME anymore, but people vaguely like who I once >>>>>> thought I was or wanted to be) solve micro-techonomic problems like the >>>>>> ones that lead to Teflon(tm) and Velcro(tm) and higher >>>>>> density/faster-charge EV batteries, and higher density/dynamic range >>>>>> pixel-displays, and neural lace to wire (grow?) into my brain/ganglia, >>>>>> and microbes that can convert moon/mars-dust to Soylent/Huel/Water/??? >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> >>>> My PsychoHistory hatted self (Asimov - Foundation >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional) >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)>>and >>>>>> thenon-fictional variant >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory#:~:text=Psychohistory%20is%20an%20amalgam%20of,stated%20intention%20and%20actual%20behavior >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory#:~:text=Psychohistory%20is%20an%20amalgam%20of,stated%20intention%20and%20actual%20behavior>.>) >>>>>> is inclined to imagine that AI *can* help with the "big problems", the >>>>>> ones nominally too large, too interdisciplinarian, too obtuse, too >>>>>> "wycked" (In Complexity Science jargon), possibly too counter-intuitive >>>>>> for most (any?) human or group of humans to grasp. >>>>>> >>>> My Ned Ludd (very tight by definition?) hat has me thinking >>>>>> more down the rabbit holes of worst-case scenarios where all the >>>>>> arrogant, narcissistic @$$h0ii3z of the world (starting at the top with >>>>>> those whose names start with Pu Tr Be Zu Mu(r/s) Ne De ... and >>>>>> staggering down the hierarchy of potency and scope to most of us here >>>>>> most of the time) think they "know what is best" and put their resources >>>>>> to using the AI lever to "make it so"... >>>>>> >>>> Even (especially) me, I constantly imagine that "if they made >>>>>> ME King" (or to the point, if *I* was the/wormtongue/in the AI >>>>>> Overlord's ear) that I would "make the world safe and happy for >>>>>> everyone, ever after with no unintended consequences or unpleasant side >>>>>> effects". >>>>>> >>>> One *might* guess that the smartest thinkers in the most >>>>>> grounded, thoughtful, gentle think-tanks (e.g. in a Tibetan Lamasary or >>>>>> the "Club of Rome" or SIPRI or CESR or the Justice League of America or >>>>>> the people who task "jewish space lasers" or ??? ) would be practicing >>>>>> their AI-whispering skills right now. Maybe tasking Marcus' Quantum >>>>>> Computer with "the hard problem of universal consciousness"? >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> An up-to-date version of Asimov's9 Billion Names of God >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God >>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Billion_Names_of_God>>? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>>> >>>>> Frank C. Wimberly >>>>>> >>>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>>>>> >>>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> 505 670-9918 >>>>>> >>>>> Santa Fe, NM >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2023, 12:48 PM Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org >>>>>> <mailto:r...@elf.org> <mailto:r...@elf.org <mailto:r...@elf.org>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Google news decided to surface an article from Fortune >>>>>> today. It's headlined "Society's refusal to have enough babies is what >>>>>> will save it from the existential threat of A. I., Eric Schmidt says". >>>>>> The headline is accompanied by a very serious head shot of Eric. Nice >>>>>> try, Google, but you're not sucking me down that rabbit hole. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Meanwhile, someone apparently read my mind about the >>>>>> rationality of disaster prepping and wrote an epic novel about it 40 >>>>>> years ago in Catalan. The Garden of the Seven Twilights by Miquel de >>>>>> Palol is available in English translation and as an ebook >>>>>> onoverdrive.com <http://onoverdrive.com> >>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2foverdrive.com&c=E,1,qiLuQHPdYM-73PUnxLjrSTzI76V8rfL6yb0_zHcdufFpFa1_kCTZkOyfYIh_N_0ysaWtjxXmwlL7kj8mmwGK2wfSP_01M-8QKT_yUEwBhHUL1Wuk-x_ACQBsspQ,&typo=1 >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2foverdrive.com&c=E,1,qiLuQHPdYM-73PUnxLjrSTzI76V8rfL6yb0_zHcdufFpFa1_kCTZkOyfYIh_N_0ysaWtjxXmwlL7kj8mmwGK2wfSP_01M-8QKT_yUEwBhHUL1Wuk-x_ACQBsspQ,&typo=1>>at >>>>>> your local library. The narrator crosses refugee swamped Barcelona to >>>>>> check on his mom and gets sent off by her to a McMansion'ed medieval >>>>>> monastery high in the Pyrenees where the elite are amusing themselves >>>>>> with stories while awaiting the resolution of the first war >>>>>> of entertainment. Lots of stories about themselves and their >>>>>> friends and acquaintances. >>>>>> >>>>> -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . 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