And, of course, there is no such thing except appearance. What could it possibly mean to say that an appearance of a bond exists, but no actual bond exists?
On September 1, 2022 7:29:45 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: >If you want to create the appearance of a bond where none exists, get to work. > Once one recognizes the nature of work it is easy. > >On Sep 1, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > >From glen: "If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then get to > *work*. Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking, > communicating, is inadequate at best, disinfo at worst." > >This is kinda the whole point of Participant Observation at the core of >cultural anthropology. The premise is you cannot truly understand a culture >until you live it. > >Of course, there is still a boundary, a separation, between the anthropologist >and those with whom she interacts, but sweat, calluses, blood, and emotions go >a long way toward establishing actual understanding. > >davew > >On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > > >On 9/1/22 11:21 AM, glen wrote: >Inter-brain synchronization occurs without physical co-presence during >cooperative online gaming >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028393222001750 > >There's a lot piled into the aggregate measures of EEG. And the mere fact of >the canalization conflates the unifying tendencies of the objective (shared >purpose) with that of the common structure (virtual world, interface, body, >brain). But overall, it argues against this guru focus on "sense-making" >(hermeneutic, monistic reification) and helps argue for the fundamental >plurality, openness, and stochasticity of "language games". > >If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then get to *work*. >Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking, communicating, is >inadequate at best, disinfo at worst. > >I agree somewhat with the spirit of this, however a recent writer/book I >discovered is Sand >Talk<https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sand-talk-tyson-yunkaporta?variant=32280908103714> > by Tyson Yunkaporta and more specifically his references to "Yarning" in his >indigenous Australian culture offered me a complementary perspective... > >I definitely agree that the "building of something together" is a powerful >world-building/negotiating/collaborative/seeking experience. The social >sciences use the term Boundary >Object<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_object> and Boundary Negotiation >Artifact. Jenny and I wrote a draft white-paper on the topic of the >SimTable as a "boundary negotiating artifact" last time she visited (2019?). > A lot of computer-graphics/visualization products provide fill this role, but >the physicality of a sand-table with it's tactility and multiple perspectives >add yet more. The soap-box racer or fort you build with your friend as a kid >provides the same. The bulk of my best relationships in life involved >"building something together" whether it be a software system or a house... > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
