If you want to create the appearance of a bond where none exists, get to work.
Once one recognizes the nature of work it is easy.
On Sep 1, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
From glen: "If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then get to
*work*. Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking,
communicating, is inadequate at best, disinfo at worst."
This is kinda the whole point of Participant Observation at the core of
cultural anthropology. The premise is you cannot truly understand a culture
until you live it.
Of course, there is still a boundary, a separation, between the anthropologist
and those with whom she interacts, but sweat, calluses, blood, and emotions go
a long way toward establishing actual understanding.
davew
On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
On 9/1/22 11:21 AM, glen wrote:
Inter-brain synchronization occurs without physical co-presence during
cooperative online gaming
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028393222001750
There's a lot piled into the aggregate measures of EEG. And the mere fact of
the canalization conflates the unifying tendencies of the objective (shared
purpose) with that of the common structure (virtual world, interface, body,
brain). But overall, it argues against this guru focus on "sense-making"
(hermeneutic, monistic reification) and helps argue for the fundamental
plurality, openness, and stochasticity of "language games".
If you want to share values with some arbitrary shmoe, then get to *work*.
Build something or cooperate on a common task. Talking, communicating, is
inadequate at best, disinfo at worst.
I agree somewhat with the spirit of this, however a recent writer/book I
discovered is Sand
Talk<https://www.harpercollins.com/products/sand-talk-tyson-yunkaporta?variant=32280908103714>
by Tyson Yunkaporta and more specifically his references to "Yarning" in his
indigenous Australian culture offered me a complementary perspective...
I definitely agree that the "building of something together" is a powerful
world-building/negotiating/collaborative/seeking experience. The social
sciences use the term Boundary
Object<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_object> and Boundary Negotiation
Artifact. Jenny and I wrote a draft white-paper on the topic of the SimTable
as a "boundary negotiating artifact" last time she visited (2019?). A lot of
computer-graphics/visualization products provide fill this role, but the
physicality of a sand-table with it's tactility and multiple perspectives add
yet more. The soap-box racer or fort you build with your friend as a kid
provides the same. The bulk of my best relationships in life involved
"building something together" whether it be a software system or a house...
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