Here's a stock that could be shorted, but golly it is doing well right now.

https://www.reit.com/investing/reit-directory/rexford-industrial-realty-inc

So, one imagines that an 1862-scale flood comes to LA due to some enormous 
atmospheric river, and then it finally pays.
Ideally there'd be some inverse real estate ETF that was regional, e,g. Abu 
Dhabi, where one expects it to get bad.

Marcus
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This is an interesting direction.

How small a minority does one have to be in, for it to count as an arbitrage 
opportunity?  In the El Farol and Minority Game abstractions, any minority is 
enough.

If we think about the dichotomy in public health, or in reason vs. hormonal 
aggression, the split in the US (at least by political commitments) is not so 
far from 50/50.  But as far as “profiting from the committed wrong”, that 
market seems to be cornered already by a very tiny percent, who have priced in 
much of the available surplus.  The difference between the dupes and the honest 
but powerless seems unimportant compared to the difference between both of 
those and the insiders with power, access, and control.  Somehow these richly 
structured extensive-form games with coalitional solution concepts seem very 
far from the market model in which we often think about arbitrage.

I am also reminded of the aphorism in that other realm “The market can stay 
irrational longer than you can stay solvent.”  Or in the case of climate, 
agricultural, and social instability, alive.

I wonder what makes an adequate toolbox of concepts and analogies with which to 
think about this (at least somewhat) systematically.

Eric


On Jan 2, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Marcus Daniels 
<mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:

Nick writes:

< So, what does a healthy 2040 community look like.   What are we working 
TOWARD, here.  Once of the things that the Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me 
was my feeling that, in a chaotic world, people like me, planners, are just out 
of tune with the world. >

I don't think it really matters how people interact in social media or what 
they think.   What will matter is how people adapt to climate change and the 
exhaustion of food and energy, and the migrations resulting from climate 
change.  That's where the opportunities will be.   If there are millions of 
people that deny it is happening like they deny pandemics, then things simply 
must be arranged so that the natural accounting occurs.   The planners will 
look past the chaos and make their investments.. and wait.

Marcus
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So, what does a healthy 2040 community look like.   What are we working TOWARD, 
here.  Once of the things that the Mcnamee podcast highlighted for me was my 
feeling that, in a chaotic world, people like me, planners, are just out of 
tune with the world.



By the way, I think “surfing the web” , as it has been used, is a terrible 
metaphor.  What most of us do is like water skiing the web.  Bouncing over the 
wake, never actually getting into the water.   Gives surfing a bad name.  A 
surfer finds the few survivable paths through an immense concentration of 
hostile forces.  Surfing is more like martial arts.  In fact we must begin to 
surf the web.   To realize the manners in which its hostile forces constrain us 
and find the few paths that allow us to master those forces and come out of the 
curl safely.  We thought it was a playground; now we see it’s a minefield.



n



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From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
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Nick writes:



< Imagined a world in which we all worked at home, everything was on zoom, and 
everything was delivered by Amazon by drone.  I realize this is a reductio, but 
hum along with me for a few bars.  There would be no intermediate social 
landscape between the home and the distribution center.  No intermediate human 
scales.



I can’t say immediately why this would be a bad thing, but my gut doesn’t like 
it.>



I can't think of many examples where the intermediate scales are anything but 
wasteful or intrusive.   Maybe to see a tailor coupled to the purchase of 
certain clothes?  I still drive to services (dentist, doctor, hair stylist), 
just not to redistributors, because they don't really add anything.   There's 
still a farmer's market that seems as popular as ever -- but they DO offer 
something unique.    I can drive five minutes to Home Depot but honestly half 
the time their inventory is exhausted for what I want, and I end up ordering it 
online.



Marcus



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Marcus,



I would like to be convinced …. But



Imagined a world in which we all worked at home, everything was on zoom, and 
everything was delivered by Amazon by drone.  I realize this is a reductio, but 
hum along with me for a few bars.  There would be no intermediate social 
landscape between the home and the distribution center.  No intermediate human 
scales.



I can’t say immediately why this would be a bad thing, but my gut doesn’t like 
it.



Nick



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I can see living without Facebook (I do), but why can't we live with Amazon?   
It seems like they did a pretty good job of displacing the likes of Walmart.  
It could happen again.  What added inherent value do stores have, other than as 
a mechanism to prevent he consolidation of market influence w.r.t. to prices?
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I just listened to this podcast



https://feeds.megaphone.fm/VMP5489734702<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2ffeeds.megaphone.fm%2fVMP5489734702&c=E,1,G87ToIzgI5DT4ZpiKuXcRc2EHcS4lpVgIftU98yiNor7PFNa9lCoDMtpA2GT4_2eudXeeatF6BgR-Peqwvf8pBQOnsbOiuYBI693rGSZCjDA8-JbvEUZ&typo=1>



a conversation between the former prosecutor, Joyce Vance, and the musician, 
financier, turncoat Facebook investor Roger Mcnamee, who likens this moment 
with big tech to the moment before the food industry regulations of the early 
1900’s and anti-pollution legislation of the 60’s, moments when Da People 
reasserted control over over-weening industry interests.  He is author of the 
book, Zucked.



An hour-long pod cast is a terribly inefficient way to learn about something, 
so I hope that one you, for whom none of this is news, can offer a more 
condensed source.



We are basically talking about the Amazon paradox, here: can’t live with it; 
can’t live without it.  How much ARE we willing to pay to have the trains run 
on time?



As usual, I am in need of instruction.



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